oh my god.

[Forever Finite]

<small>warning: this video is shocking and nauseating if you're squeamish or like widdle animaws. </small>

this pretty much killed my appetite for the next six months. i nearly retched at this (mms://a805.v9135e.c9135.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/805/9135/0015/peta.download.akamai.com/9135/downloads/mym2002_med.wmv) collection of footage.

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/dharmapunk/1.jpg">

[Falsafah]

:raincloud It hurts me to see animals being killed like that...

[Lord Koopa]

What they don't show is all the makeup that woman used that's polluting the water.

[Stevil, yo]

The picture was enough for me. I didn't wanna watch the video.

When will people stop caring so damn much about fashion. It's okay to wanna keep yourself somewhat good looking, but when you're killing another living creature to make clothing for yourself, it's just not nice.

And don't even get me started on fast food!

[Lord Koopa]

When will people stop caring so damn much about fashion. It's okay to wanna keep yourself somewhat good looking, but when you're killing another living creature to make clothing for yourself, it's just not nice.

Yeah, sorry about that. I just wanted to fit in.

[Meat Load]

That, coupled with the rabbit-skinning scene from Roger and Me is enough to destroy both my faith in humanity and my appetite.

[AV]

Yup yup, it's hip to be a Vegetarian.
*dons ray ban sunglasses*

[cyberen]

I've seen something more disgusting, but i'm against furs anyway.

[Lord Koopa]

Yup yup, it's hip to be a Vegetarian.
*dons ray ban sunglasses*

I'm a fistitarian. Knives and guns are murder.

[Meat Load]

I have like no clue what you're talking about 90% of the time.

[Lord Koopa]

I have like no clue what you're talking about 90% of the time.

But I do.

[BeastDad1987]

As sad as that video is, it's not going to stop me from eating meat. People will always kill animals, and it's not in my power to stop them from doing it a certain way, nor is it in my power to stop them by not eating the products. Sure, I can choose not to support them, but uh... well, I like meat. That is all.

[Stevil, yo]

Meats okay.

Mcdonalds sucks though.

[Falsafah]

I stopped eating fast food when I was 17...

[Lord Koopa]

I stopped eating bad tasting fast food a while ago.

[leatherface]

I can understand eating meat, people will always need sustainance, but wearing fur is just plain stupid. Because we already have ways of making synthetic furs, and plus we have heaters and non-fur coats now.

[яёђэюя]

So guys, I was at the Outback last night, and...

[Linzoy]

People shouldn't stop wearing fur because it's gross, they should because it's unnessicary.

[MST3Kakalina]

if the fur in fur coats theoretically came from animals that had already been killed humanely for food, then i would have no problem with it.


but such is obviously not always the case.

[Forever Finite]

there was this other video i didn't post because i couldn't watch the whole thing. they were skinning a bunch of animals alive (raccoons, somesort of wolf or dog, rabbits, etc.). and the animals were still alive afterwards and they didn't have the decency to kill them first. there was a shot of this raccoon without skin just standing there with its eyes closed. it was like the nastiest thing ever.

[MST3Kakalina]

i hate people. jesus, that's so FOUL.

[MajorB]

If I go out and shoot a rabbit, I think I have the right to have it pelted (because rabbit pelts are neat) if I eat the meat part of it. Does anyone know what happens to the skinned animals after they're skinned?

[MST3Kakalina]

nothing so nice as a quick painless death, that's for sure.

[Linzoy]

And these people are trying to STOP creulty to animals? Idiots...

Why does it matter what happens to the animals? No one needs a fur coat, for any reason. They're expensive and hard to wash. Don't buy them.

[Charnye West]

It made me hungry.

I'm wearing leather right now.

[Forever Finite]

And these people are trying to STOP creulty to animals? Idiots...

what? i see nothing ridulous about asking meat industries or fur industries to give their animals more humane deaths and overall treatment. not only is the meat you're eating full of toxins that the brain releases during stress and suffering, but your body doesn't really need meat anyway. your digestive system can only really take a small amount of it at a time without it becoming a burden on your system.

[Justinian 1]

People shouldn't stop wearing fur because it's gross, they should because it's unnessicary.
Unnessicary? Most things in society is unnessicary, like this computer your at and the internet, you don't NEED them, you just like them. As well as most food products, people can live on bread, some berries and water. Don't try to use nessecity in a debate.

[Linzoy]

what? i see nothing ridulous about asking meat industries or fur industries to give their animals more humane deaths and overall treatment. not only is the meat you're eating full of toxins that the brain releases during stress and suffering, but your body doesn't really need meat anyway. your digestive system can only really take a small amount of it at a time without it becoming a burden on your system.I was talking about that video. Skinning animals alive just to gross people out. I think people should be able to support animal rights without jerks about it.
Unnessicary? Most things in society is unnessicary, like this computer your at and the internet, you don't NEED them, you just like them. As well as most food products, people can live on bread, some berries and water. Don't try to use nessecity in a debate.Yeah, I like my computer. It does a lot of useful things. What does a fur coat do? NOTHING.

[Justinian 1]

It keeps you warm and fashionable!

[Linzoy]

So does a regular coat.

It really bothers me that fur is coming back in style. Everything from the 50's is coming back in style. I was in crate and barrel the other day and everything looked like it was from the 50's. It seems like most people want to return to this way of thinking where everyone acts and looks the same way.

[Vile]

:c

I think everyone in here knows how I feel about this, so I won't rant.

But mary-tit-virgin-fucking...tit-christ. I'm sorry, but I still can't wrap my mind around how anyone can do this. I mean, Do you know anyone who could skin an animal alive without flinching? Could you?

I don't like it when the internet makes me cry.

[Justinian 1]

It would be funny if the name Biff came back into style too, and those ugly haircuts as well as the stupid shirts.

[Linzoy]

Biff was never in style, that was just in back to the future.

[Forever Finite]

I was talking about that video. Skinning animals alive just to gross people out. I think people should be able to support animal rights without jerks about it.
what the hell are you talking about? i don't think animal rights activists are extreme in the least. if they wanted to be extreme, they'd start killing people. and if you're talking about the skinning being staged, you're absolutely wrong.

[Linzoy]

I just explained what I was talking about. They're skinning animals alive. That is SICK.

[Forever Finite]

those were people working for the fur companies.

[Vile]

pphhst. A-DUH.

[Linzoy]

Oh, I thought it was a peta commercial or something.

Can you link to the video?

[Young Jeff Bridges]

successfully made me cry.
successfully made me upset because i was just about to go drink some milk.
now i don't want to.

[Vile]

Milk contains pus.

[Lord Koopa]

Milk contains pus.

...And?

[Vile]

I didn't know that 'til today. eeww.

[Lord Koopa]

Pfft, I don't care if it contains pus. I drank a glass of it this morning and it didn't taste weird.

[Forever Finite]

hey, everyone. this was all a big joke. the animals in that video are actually just puppets. nobody got hurt, it's all good fun.

[töm]

we will never progress as a society if we do not discontinue this foul puppet torture immediately.

i would not like my children to grow up in a world without puppets.

[ManiacTHP]

This makes me quite sad that someone could skin an animal alive and sleep at night. Goddamn them.

However. It makes me feel nice that my family treats our animals very well and gives them a good life and a humane death if it calls for it.

EDIT: I've actually been to an auction were the animals were treated just....terrible. My dad and I left, those animals didn't look like they were going to live another day. Those bastards.

[Lord Koopa]

This makes me quite sad that someone could skin an animal alive and sleep at night. Goddamn them.

Hey, they're doing what they feel is neccessary to get the job done. Also, you don't know whether or not it really bothers them.

[ManiacTHP]

Get someone to skin you alive and tell us how you feel.

[Lord Koopa]

I would, but that wouldn't prove anything.

[ManiacTHP]

Because you know it would be agonizing to have your skin cut off when your alive.

[Linzoy]

You don't have to skin the animals alive. You can kill them first so it doesn't hurt them.

[Lord Koopa]

Because you know it would be agonizing to have your skin cut off when your alive.

Yeah, it would.

[Linzoy]

So your point is that it's good for people to cause animals pain?

[Lord Koopa]

So your point is that it's good for people to cause animals pain?

No, it's the benifit of getting fancy clothing for people, and food.

If a child was starving, and the only food he could have was meat that came from a tortured animal, would you take it away from him just because the animal was tortured?

[ManiacTHP]

It's not that hard to put a animal out of it's misery humanely.

[Lord Koopa]

I never said you couldn't.

[Linzoy]

No, it's the benifit of getting fancy clothing for people, and food.

If a child was starving, and the only food he could have was meat that came from a tortured animal, would you take it away from him just because the animal was tortured?You're not starving. Nobody you know or have met is starving. And yet most of those people eat meat every day. People wern't designed to eat meat every day, it's unhealthy. Meat isn't created for cute little starving africans. It's made for fat americans.

An individual animals death isn't a big deal. I doubt I would see anything inhumane about it if I lived on a farm 200 years ago. But the way meat is mass produced today is sickening.

I hate fancy clothing. It's stupid and I'll go way out my way to avoid wearing anything fancy. I'll wear things that are expensive but none of those stupid dress shoes.

[eqze]

I never said you couldn't.
And it's not necessary for the animal to be alive. Why be that cruel if it takes only a minimal amount of effort to at least let the animal die humanely? That's what the argument's about, not only about killing the animal in the first place.

[Lord Koopa]

Meat isn't created for cute little starving africans. It's made for fat americans.

So, you're saying that god made meat for fat americans? Nice defense you created there.

[Linzoy]

WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT GOD? I'm talking about the people who actually breed, raise, kill, and sell the animals. They don't sell it to starving africans!

[Lord Koopa]

But did they create meat?

[Linzoy]

Yeah, I think they did. Before you kill it and put it in a little styrofoam thing it's just an animal.

[Lord Koopa]

Yeah, an animal with meat.

[Linzoy]

Yeah, it's an animal with meat.

I'm not sure what your argument is... God created meat to give to cute african children?

[Lord Koopa]

I don't think you ever answered the hypothetical question I proposed.

[Linzoy]

No, I wouldn't take meat away from any hypothetical starving children. The animal's already dead, there's no point in preventing anyone from eating it.

But it isn't a very good question to justify creulty and killing of animals, because even if the animals that coats where made of where used for meat, that meat wouldn't magically fall into the hands of a cute little chinese kid. It's going to be sold in the supermarkets of a first world country and bought by someone who probably eats 5 times as much meat as they should.

[Lord Koopa]

But, like you said, the animal is already dead.

[Linzoy]

The less meat people buy, the less animals have to die.

Wow it's all rhymey.

Nobody is going to intentionally tip over the balance of supply and demand. Then meat would be cheaper and they'd make less money.

[Lord Koopa]

Do you know how many people in the US stand for that sentiment?

And yet, here we are, with animals still being slaughtered.

[Linzoy]

No, I don't. But more and more people are becoming vegetarians and vegans all the time. 50 years ago there was no such thing as the vegetarian menu.

Besides I don't think there's anything wrong with animals being slaughtered, but they shouldn't have to go through such an unnatural life.

[Forever Finite]

koopa, i am appalled at your attitude toward helpless puppets. if we don't stand up for the puppets, who will? certainly not the puppet string industry.

[Linzoy]

We wern't talking about your puppet movies.

[Lord Koopa]

koopa, i am appalled at your attitude toward helpless puppets. if we don't stand up for the puppets, who will? certainly not the puppet string industry.

But puppets are delicious.

[Linzoy]

I win again.

[Shiv]

My word Koopa. Humour aside, you're just stirring shit at this stage O.O

There are laws in Ireland about a lot of that stuff. I don't think it's legal to kill animals by cutting their throats.

I'm all for my meat being happy, I don't understand why this is such a problem for people. Also, I am so very against young meat (veal, lamb etc.) as I am against the fur industry in general. I wear leather, but I like to think it's a by product of the meat industry anyway. My possition on being against fur has softened somewhat recently. A good friend of mine has been living in Russia for this college year. She went as almost a vegetarian and returned at Christmas with a fur coat. Accoarding to her, it's the only thing warm enough over there and I don't doubt it. I still think the animals should be treated and killed humainly though.

I got my fair share of animal cruelty in Spain. I went to madrid and they are very for their bull fights. My brother who is living in Spain thinks it's justified because it's an art, but I see it as no different than a bunch of scumbags slowly torturing a dog in the street. I'm not a sqeamish person, I don't feel sick to my stomach when I watched that video or when I see animal cruelty, but the one thing I can't stand is people who actually enjoy killing/torturing/etc. In my mind there is no justification for blood sports of any kind and I think I've always had enough amo to argue my case because it's so freaking clear.

I think all bull fighters are dicks, I don't care how graceful they look when they're torturing their animal.

[töm]

i learnt just this year that they actually <i>kill</i> the bull! nonsense! i thought they just played with it for a while by waving their silly red laundry. they don't show the murder in cartoons. :(

[t3]

It no work for me. Might I actually be fortunate in this instance?

[Rory Storm]

i learnt just this year that they actually <i>kill</i> the bull! nonsense! i thought they just played with it for a while by waving their silly red laundry. they don't show the murder in cartoons. :(
You feel mislead? I'm sorry.

On a lighter note....It's a friday during Lent...no meat...oh wait chicken pie has meat in it. TO HELL WITH ME!

[яёђэюя]

Controls the stallion
two men!
can tame the stallion.
three men!
can lick the stallion.

(break)

(solo)

[Shiv]

yeah, they kill it, but first they stick hooks into it's shoulders and let the blood trickle down its' back because red is pretty...

[HOMERCHESTRA]

Oh <i>PETA</i>, you crazy uncle we don't like to talk about.

I fucking hate PeTA. You can be vegetarian or vegan or whatever, and you can be against animal cruelty and whatnot (which I totally am), but these guys are just nutcases. Hell, the president of PeTA said that arson, property destruction, and theft were "acceptable crimes" when it came to furthering the PeTA movement, and he is also quoted as saying that even if AIDS could be cured by the death of one single mouse, he would be against it. What a fucking whacko.

[Nevermore]

*sigh* The sad thing is people actually do this shit. They skin things alive. Humans need to get their just reward for this. I am agaisnt the fur industry, but hell I wear leather and eat meat, but I don't believe the animal should be tortured then killed. It needs to be killed in a way it doesn't suffer so everyones happy.

[Young Jeff Bridges]

i drank milk this morning
it didn't taste too spectacular
this is why i would stop drinking milk
because it tastes bad
not because it is for torturing the shit out of cows

[robot]

clearly this is some sort of bizarre form of "veggie tales" for animal rightsa activists' children

and should be immediately dismissed as some sort of science fiction nonsense.

[Forever Finite]

when i watch veggie tales, my mouth waters and i am forced to leave the room. this world is just no place for a starving vegetarian. we're not wanted here.

[robot]

would anyone like to fix my innability to edit posts and view attachments. i understand if you guys are afraid of what might happen say i could make topics, but this is UNCALLED FOR, SKIP MCGEE.

[robot]

lookie, there. i misused punctuation. oh, how i would love to change that to a question mark...

sigh, imprisonment of the mind, i say.

[Forever Finite]

yeah. and reactivate his private message function. geeze.

[Davey Rootbeer]

'th hell? robot's still on probation?

gah. that was supposed to expire like..MONTHS ago.


*goes to lift now*


And please except this compensation of £8,900 in...compensation.

Your government thanks you.

[robot]

i was banned until like last week dude

[Shiv]

You know what pisses me off even more than crazy extremist animal rights avtivists that don't know where to draw the line between humane and insane??? People who respond to them by thinking in exactly the opposite way just because they don't like them. I sure wish more people would think for themselves. I am also appalled at the amout of people I know who are against (YES AGAINST) vegieness.... the mind boggles :D

[xsbs52x]

i cant believe i sat through that entire video. im so sick to my stomach right now. i never thought of myself as a squemish person, but that video was just... horrifying.

[Shiv]

The part with the castration sans anesthetic made even I sqirm a little.

[Vile]

I'm so glad I have no idea what you're all talking about :(

[Shiv]

I tried to set up a society against cruelty to tipex pens once...... man I was one board kid in school....

[xsbs52x]

for me, the worst part was seeing the guy slit a pigs throat, and watching the pig flop around on the ground in a puddle of blood. *shudder*

[steffi]

it's making me want to become a vegetarian. :C

I wish I didn't like meat so much.

[MajorB]

You know what pisses me off even more than crazy extremist animal rights avtivists that don't know where to draw the line between humane and insane??? People who respond to them by thinking in exactly the opposite way just because they don't like them. I sure wish more people would think for themselves. I am also appalled at the amout of people I know who are against (YES AGAINST) vegieness.... the mind boggles :D

See, I don't like being cruel to animals, but PETA is over the top. If they had all the animals freed from the zoos, including the endangered ones, they'd all get hit by trucks.

[steffi]

uh. I don't think they'd be freeing them into the street.

[SLUM WIZZARD]

Never underestimate the stupidity of any sort of "activist".

[HOMERCHESTRA]

The absolute worst thing about PeTA, though (and the thing that makes me actually hate them), is the things they target towards children. Check out www.petakids.org sometime. Sadly, they don't have the absolutely horrible recruitment tools that they used to, such as articles entitled "Your mommy, the murderer," etc. That was great fun. Fucking activists.

[Kelvan]

Hey. the petakids are beasts spreading crimes all over the USA.

[BreadObama69]

well played.

[Kelvan]

USA is a crime-pit so or so.

[Davey Rootbeer]

there are extremes in both sides of any issue.

it doesn't nescisarily mean those people represent their entire side of the issue, though...







I um......watched the videos.

but...I..I don't really feel grossed out, or upset. Nor do i feel angry, sad, resentful, regretful, nor do i feel happy about it, or feel like laughing or any feeling of upsetness or rapture at them.

I mean.....I already knew this happened, i guess. I already knew about how animals are treated, and killed, and I know what i'm eating, wearing, using, and drinking.

I knew that a long time ago. I've always been inquisitive, and done research and looked things up that people generally take for granted. probably because i had a lot of free time on my hands, growing up, with nothing to do, so i was able to actually explore and find out these things. I've been to a slaughtherhouse.

On a tour, and also behind the scenes.

I just...already knew what i was going to see.




My grandmother told me tales of the holicaust as a very young child. she would go to great depths to describve the tortures there, the deprivation of any form of humanity, and the complete lack of care given.


I guess shock value is really made to be so when it occurs in things we have taken for granted, or not even thought about. A major reason 9/11 was so terrifying to America was that the public had never observed such destruction, for the most part. in parts of the world, and throughout history, that type of destruction is part of daily life.

In america, we don't think about where the meat came from: we perfer not to think about it, and for the most part, block it out. but when we are forced to face it, it really is a shock.

It's really not a shock for me, i guess, since i've already faced it.

humans tend to do that a lot...block out things that seem disturbing or scary. we perfer to keep them "unknown", or to be wrapped up in a nice little knot at the end.

Religion was developed by early man to address the issues of Death, Decay, health, desease, and lay out a framework of "faith": if you are "good" you will get "rewarded", if you are "bad", you are "punished".

we still perfer not to think about, death, decay, desease, and all that stuff...when we see it, it's shocking towards us.

-If we knew exactly how much bacteria and decay surrounded us each day, everywhere, we would not be able to comprehend it all at once, and drop 2 rungs off Maslow's Emotional Heirarchy needs (imagine that episode of Invader Zim: "germs": he realizes what his surroundings are, after having taken them for granted, and then completely regresses because it's such a shock.)

-I mean, think about it. We're drinking the same water that was excreted from Dinosaurs tens of millions of years ago: it's just seeped underground, gone to a resivoir, and then filtered and "purified".

-Chemicals are added to everything you eat and drink: they've been spraying pesticides over crops since...well, forever. there are millions of germs in the air, and water.

we choose to either ignore or not acgknowledge/care about these things.

Me?

I'll continue to eat my Meat, possibly killed savagely and brutally and injected with so many chemicals, it wouild take forever to name them. I'm still for animal rights- I would perfer, given the choice, if they were to be killed humanely. But i'm not going to purposely avoid it if the choice isn't offered to me. It's still the same steak.

I'll still wear what i wish to wear that makes me comfortable. I support the rights of the workers who make them: If the clothes were made in a sweatshop and kids were paid a penny a day to make them, I don't like that. but throwing out what i already have purchased isn't going to help anyone.

I'll continue to drink my soda and water, even though i know it's made from the same liquid as has been passed through the earth since the beginning.

I'll continue to use the bathroom, even though i know that flushing a toilet wastes water that is actually pure enough to be used for drinking.

I'll continue to breathe, even though i know that there's germs everywhere, and chemicals from living in a building, as well as dangerous fumes, and toxicants, and pollution, everywhere.

I guess i went off on a little tangent there, huh?

but anyway, my point...we're shocked by things like this when we take it for granted. I'm not saying it's better to ignore or not know about this: it's been said "ignorance is bliss", but given the choice, would you really want to live in a world ignorant of everything of what goes on around you, and rely on faith alone to guide and explain what is going on?

It's not good, also, to become so affected by it the knowledge of what is going on, that one cannot eat, sleep, bathe, or breathe. What's the point of living if you are not going to be actually living?


so what is good?


That's up to you.

[Kelvan]

I um......watched the videos.

but...I..I don't really feel grossed out, or upset. Nor do i feel angry, sad, resentful, regretful, nor do i feel happy about it, or feel like laughing or any feeling of upsetness or rapture at them.

I mean.....I already knew this happened, i guess. I already knew about how animals are treated, and killed, and I know what i'm eating, wearing, using, and drinking.

Yet you deny the fact it was brutally killed to make your life better? Nice job of mind -
to protect you from the horrors of life. Until you face them personally, of course, and
until you will be killed for some food, bag or blood coctail.

I just...already knew what i was going to see.
Good knowledge, but without fighting enemies declared by it the knowledge is worth nothing.


My grandmother told me tales of the holicaust as a very young child. she would go to great depths to describve the tortures there, the deprivation of any form of humanity, and the complete lack of care given.

Holicaust seen by your grandmather is no match for the tortures we had to suffer here
in 30ies of 20 cent.

I guess shock value is really made to be so when it occurs in things we have taken for granted, or not even thought about. A major reason 9/11 was so terrifying to America was that the public had never observed such destruction, for the most part. in parts of the world, and throughout history, that type of destruction is part of daily life.

In america, we don't think about where the meat came from: we perfer not to think about it, and for the most part, block it out. but when we are forced to face it, it really is a shock.

Thats why you tend to overreact a bit. Some thousands of bombs on innocent women and children do the task.

Religion was developed by early man to address the issues of Death, Decay, health, desease, and lay out a framework of "faith": if you are "good" you will get "rewarded", if you are "bad", you are "punished".

People can exist without religion. People must believe into something, yes, but religion
is not mandatory. It can be marxism, atheism or nietzshism. That does not mean that
those teachings are correct, though, and can lead us to better life, no. But - traditional religion is unnecessary.

[Charnye West]

I watched the beginning of the movie, turned off the sound in the window, and set up the Benny Hill theme song to the chicken beating part. Fan-Freakin'-Tastic.

The castration made me want to hide my balls, though. The thought of some hot girl cutting off my manlies really makes me squirm.

[Justinian 1]

there are extremes in both sides of any issue.

it doesn't nescisarily mean those people represent their entire side of the issue, though...







I um......watched the videos.

but...I..I don't really feel grossed out, or upset. Nor do i feel angry, sad, resentful, regretful, nor do i feel happy about it, or feel like laughing or any feeling of upsetness or rapture at them.

I mean.....I already knew this happened, i guess. I already knew about how animals are treated, and killed, and I know what i'm eating, wearing, using, and drinking.

I knew that a long time ago. I've always been inquisitive, and done research and looked things up that people generally take for granted. probably because i had a lot of free time on my hands, growing up, with nothing to do, so i was able to actually explore and find out these things. I've been to a slaughtherhouse.

On a tour, and also behind the scenes.

I just...already knew what i was going to see.




My grandmother told me tales of the holicaust as a very young child. she would go to great depths to describve the tortures there, the deprivation of any form of humanity, and the complete lack of care given.


I guess shock value is really made to be so when it occurs in things we have taken for granted, or not even thought about. A major reason 9/11 was so terrifying to America was that the public had never observed such destruction, for the most part. in parts of the world, and throughout history, that type of destruction is part of daily life.

In america, we don't think about where the meat came from: we perfer not to think about it, and for the most part, block it out. but when we are forced to face it, it really is a shock.

It's really not a shock for me, i guess, since i've already faced it.

humans tend to do that a lot...block out things that seem disturbing or scary. we perfer to keep them "unknown", or to be wrapped up in a nice little knot at the end.

Religion was developed by early man to address the issues of Death, Decay, health, desease, and lay out a framework of "faith": if you are "good" you will get "rewarded", if you are "bad", you are "punished".

we still perfer not to think about, death, decay, desease, and all that stuff...when we see it, it's shocking towards us.

-If we knew exactly how much bacteria and decay surrounded us each day, everywhere, we would not be able to comprehend it all at once, and drop 2 rungs off Maslow's Emotional Heirarchy needs (imagine that episode of Invader Zim: "germs": he realizes what his surroundings are, after having taken them for granted, and then completely regresses because it's such a shock.)

-I mean, think about it. We're drinking the same water that was excreted from Dinosaurs tens of millions of years ago: it's just seeped underground, gone to a resivoir, and then filtered and "purified".

-Chemicals are added to everything you eat and drink: they've been spraying pesticides over crops since...well, forever. there are millions of germs in the air, and water.

we choose to either ignore or not acgknowledge/care about these things.

Me?

I'll continue to eat my Meat, possibly killed savagely and brutally and injected with so many chemicals, it wouild take forever to name them. I'm still for animal rights- I would perfer, given the choice, if they were to be killed humanely. But i'm not going to purposely avoid it if the choice isn't offered to me. It's still the same steak.

I'll still wear what i wish to wear that makes me comfortable. I support the rights of the workers who make them: If the clothes were made in a sweatshop and kids were paid a penny a day to make them, I don't like that. but throwing out what i already have purchased isn't going to help anyone.

I'll continue to drink my soda and water, even though i know it's made from the same liquid as has been passed through the earth since the beginning.

I'll continue to use the bathroom, even though i know that flushing a toilet wastes water that is actually pure enough to be used for drinking.

I'll continue to breathe, even though i know that there's germs everywhere, and chemicals from living in a building, as well as dangerous fumes, and toxicants, and pollution, everywhere.

I guess i went off on a little tangent there, huh?

but anyway, my point...we're shocked by things like this when we take it for granted. I'm not saying it's better to ignore or not know about this: it's been said "ignorance is bliss", but given the choice, would you really want to live in a world ignorant of everything of what goes on around you, and rely on faith alone to guide and explain what is going on?

It's not good, also, to become so affected by it the knowledge of what is going on, that one cannot eat, sleep, bathe, or breathe. What's the point of living if you are not going to be actually living?


so what is good?


That's up to you.
Well said Davey thats simmilar to how I think except I could never put it into words as buetifuly as you just did.

[Shiv]

See, I don't like being cruel to animals, but PETA is over the top. If they had all the animals freed from the zoos, including the endangered ones, they'd all get hit by trucks. Is what I say. PETA is over the top. But hating them is no reason to go over the top in the other direction. You have the right idea.


Davey, you put that very well. I'm sorta the same. I was watching the video thinking, well this isn't new... It's kinda like how people reacted to the war backs a bit. Everyone was outraged that people were being killed, but they didn't take into account that people were being killed, tortured and oppressed before the war and that they would be after the war. If it isn't plastered all over the news it's like it's not happening.