drugs

[robot]

how many of you do drugs recreationally? i've been researching and conducting minor experimentation with psychoactives recently, and the effects have only been positive.

so far, i've done marijuana, oxycodone, and DXM. the first two produced mild buzzes and a feeling of euphoria. DXM, however, turned out to be quite interesting.

DXM is a chemical compound found in most over-the-counter cough supressents, such as Robitussin. i tripped on Vicks 44 Liquicaps. after about an hour after downing two whole packs of the stuff, i was in complete ecstacty.
and then nausea. i vommited so violently my friend got scared and left. i didn't feel sick, though. i felt as if nothing had happened. sounds were very strange to me, very abstract. colors were more vivid. my motor skills were very awkward, i felt like a scuba divier or a ghost, and i walked kind of zombie-like. i went to the rocky horror picture show at the peak of my trip. i don't remember a minute of it.

sometime this week i'm going to obtain some "magic mushrooms" to hopefully induce my first full-blown hallucinogenic trip.

the dangers of drugs are greatly exagerrated by the government and media, and if you do your research and dose smart you can find out what is right for your body.

http://www.erowid.org for more info

[MST3Kakalina]

Mecha's looking into doing some tripping on mushrooms sometime soon, though more for a sort of spiritual experience than recreational . i'm sure i'll end up trying eventually, and probably marijuana too. anything once, after all.

so yeah. legalize pot and all of that.

[Justinian 1]

I occasainly sniff markers but I don't like the light headed affect, it gives me headaches and with the other drugs I'm somewhat of a coward to really use them and I've never gotten my hands on them (not enought time to do them too). And alchohols out of the question because alchoholism runs rampant in my family.

[robot]

the main thing that interests me in psychoactives is the spiritual awareness they produce. some of my friends took a trip to the mountains and dropped acid, and they all came back with completely revamped outlooks on the world.

I occasainly sniff markers but I don't like the light headed affect, it gives me headaches and with the other drugs I'm somewhat of a coward to really use them and I've never gotten my hands on them (not enought time to do them too). And alchohols out of the question because alchoholism runs rampant in my family.

sniffing/huffing markers, paint, glue, or whatever is definately NOT a good idea, and you're a moron of you continue to do it.

[Kelvan]

I snuff rice chips.

uh

[MST3Kakalina]

I occasainly sniff markers but I don't like the light headed affect, it gives me headaches and with the other drugs I'm somewhat of a coward to really use them and I've never gotten my hands on them (not enought time to do them too). And alchohols out of the question because alchoholism runs rampant in my family.
that's fucking stupid. the reason huffing and such has an effect on you is because it prevents oxygen from getting to your brain, which can seriously fuck you up. that's why it's so dangerous.

[BeastDad1987]

The only things I've done are drinking and smoking (I prefer cloves to normal cigarettes). I really have no intention of trying anything other than that anytime soon. I don't really go for that "try everything once" stuff, because in the case of drugs, I don't really like losing too much control of myself. I drink only to the point of getting a buzz, I've never really gotten drunk.

But I'm a real lightweight anyways. I'll barely have a shot of Absolut and I'll be giggling and talking to myself for the rest of the night.

[Kitty of Doom]

I tried pot once at a friends house and I enjoyed because it really mellowed me out. I'm anxious a lot of the time. I'm too paranoid about getting caught to get some my own. The only reason I never tried pot again is because I haven't hung out with them in a while.

I will never try anything else out. It just never appealed to me, to many dangers and not really worth the 'benfits'. Hallucinogenic drugs like LSD, I have to admit, sound like they would be and interesting experience but some people experience really bad trips. And I would be scared to try something that may make me loss control of my senses. Plus LSD stays in you system for a month.

[Meat Load]

I don't intend ever intend to.

But whatever, to each his own.

[töm]

"To each, <i>his or her</i> own," you pig.


I'm very content to remain in control of my mind. I need it for many things. Enlightenment for one. Those Buddhists, they do not drink. The Hindus, some of them liked theirselves the "Soma." I'm drifiting towards the former. If I want to be the Pseudo-Intellectual giant that I believe I can be, I'll need resolve and an excuse. So there you go.

I'm clean.

[Meat Load]

"To each, <i>his or her</i> own," you pig.Notice how that does not roll off the tongue very well.

[MST3Kakalina]

to each <i>their</i> own...?

[Meat Load]

WHY ARE WE DISCUSSING THIS

[Shiv]

I think it's interesting to hear different views on this stuff. Especially since I've nver done any illegal drugs.

My personal opinion, and I hope this isn't stepping on anyones toes, is that using drugs is cool as candy if you know what you're doing. I had a problem with my ex doing drugs for many reasons, but I think the main one was that he used them as escapism. I think that's dangerous even with alcohol, because it hightens the risk of addiction. Also, many people use drugs to attain levels that I can get through meditation and self hypnosis, so I guess I see drugs as the lazy mans spiritual crutch...

[Dr. Badman]

how many of you do drugs recreationally? i've been researching and conducting minor experimentation with psychoactives recently, and the effects have only been positive.Hahahah. Exactly what a parent does not want to hear.
after about an hour after downing two whole packs of the stuff, i was in complete ecstacty.
and then nausea. i vommited so violently my friend got scared and left.What are friends for if not to ditch you while you're trippin'.
the dangers of drugs are greatly exagerrated by the government and media, and if you do your research and dose smart you can find out what is right for your body.Why do you think they do it, Mr. Robut? If there's any sort of risk involved, like DYING, why is it worth it? There's reason behind government and media scare tactics.

Also, keep in mind that you're body is still growing and developing. Dont fuck with the process. The damage is permanent. I'd bring my 21 year old brother into this as an example to back my credibility, but I dont care enough.

Dr. Badman's advice: take it or leave it.

[Shiv]

I like care tactics O_O

[robot]

Why do you think they do it, Mr. Robut? If there's any sort of risk involved, like DYING, why is it worth it? There's reason behind government and media scare tactics.

there IS a risk, that's why you shouldn't be a moron about it. the most important thing about drug use is staying safe, doing your research, and knowing your limits. don't take a big dose of something your first time, you could be allergic to it. don't take something if you don't know what it is. thats how people die.
lots of kids are dying on coricidin. you wan to know why? because its some dangerous shit and they don't know what they're doing. an idiot od's on something and the media makes a huge scene about it with headlines like "the new SHOCKINGLY dangerous trend with the kids" or "do you know what YOUR kid is doing when you're not looking"

just stay smart. if you want to avoid the risk completely, yeah, just don't fuck with it. but to me, its something i'd like to explore a little.

to each to his own. or something.

[Takker]

Yeah Trogg and Tom. fight the power!

drugs are bad, mmkay.

[BreadObama69]

I've never tried them, and never will. That's just me, though. Some pals of mine offer them to me all the time, but I decline....it's just not for me, I guess.

EDIT: And Koba? Nice Paulette Goddard avatar.

[MST3Kakalina]

danke sch&ouml;n, Kane.


i just found out they showed Metropolis on campus here three weeks ago or so. i can't believe i missed it. :(

[Davey Rootbeer]

to each <i>their</i> own...?


actually, "their" is incorrect grammar. His or her is not only politically correct, but also correct AP-style by-the-book grammar.

Go figure...

[MST3Kakalina]

damn, i just got schooled.

[AV]

Feh, all you stoners don't even wanna know what I wanna say.

Cept Trogg Tom and Iain, you'se good people.

*edit*
yaay and Takker.

[implode]

oh jesus. the first time i've identified with a thread in weeks, and it's a thread about robotrippin. how appropriate.

i've done basically every drug you can think of (sans heroin & meth - the former is even too hardcore for me, and the latter is just impossible to find) and a couple years ago, i would've had a totally different opinion about this. but before i get to my all-encompassing generalizatiopinion, i'll just briefly list my experiences with each subset of drugs and their positive/negative effects... if i can remember. *cough*

marijuana - i do it every day, and i've done it every day since before i started coming to this place. a jibba a day chases the boredom away, after all. initially i started using it because i was a kid and HOLY SHIT ARE THE WALLS MOVING?! and since my best friend's dad was a huge burnout, we always had access to it. but now, it's become more of an escape from the doldrums of nothingness, and i treat it as such - if i'm not with friends, i'll only smoke when i have absolutely nothing better to do. like, if i'm posting here, i certainly won't be typing with one hand and smoking a joint with the other - it changes the way i think so dramatically that i wouldn't want any of you to be privy to it. the best way to describe what daily marijuana use does was actually included in an episode of south park - "it makes you okay with being bored." and, like the episode says, it's when you're bored that you should be learning a new skill, or creating something, or blah blah potential whatever. basically, it's stunts development in the sense that you WOULD be developing, but... you're high and you're watching cartoons right now. so, try not to do it every day, unless you really don't care about losing interest in what could potentially stem from your boredom.

vicodin/percaset/oxycodone/miscellaneous painkillers - a general sense of well being, accompanied with a brief "body high." these are fun, and i actually just finished my 4 evening binge on them... again, these distract you from what you could be doing, as all drugs do, but the difference with painkillers (in my experience, anyway) is that it <i>inspires</i> you to create. i've written songs, stories, and various other artistic excrement while on a nice vicodin ES. but i don't like to do these for any longer than a few days in a row, as opiates have a tendency to be rather addictive, and i don't want anything stronger than marijuana to own me. downsides include waking up with a goddamned rhinocerous sitting on your head, but these can be easily remedied by not caring.

speed/coke/ritalin/adderall/miscellaneous stimulants - my personal favorite. there's nothing i like more than being a hyperactive freak who won't shut the hell up, and these do the trick perfectly. i only really do coke once every few months or so, but those are always the standout nights of the month. you'll talk to your friends about things you've never talked about with anyone before, and you'll feel <i>good</i> about it. as long as you're doing something you enjoy while you're on it, you'll enjoy what you're doing much, MUCH more than you should be. downsides include a carniverous urge to do MORE AND MORE AND MORE, but you can combat this with a strong will and a lack of funds, as stimulants tend to be expensive as fuck. they also give you the zoohead feeling in the morning, but that's the price you pay for organic entertainment...

acid/mushrooms/tussionics/miscellaneous hallucinogens - i.. i don't even know if i had fun on these. i've taken more acid than anything else, and it FELT like fun at the time... but it really, REALLY fucks with your control a little too much for me to call it "fun" every time. i don't know, i guess i probably took entirely too much acid at one time, as the few times i <i>didn't</i> binge ended up being fun... but on the whole, i'm not a big fan of the hallucinogens. i get enough horrible hallucinations without inspiring them to come with chemicals.

on the whole... well, i'm kind of disappointed with the way my life's turned out thusfar, and some of that can certainly be attributed to drugs. they rock, sure, and playing around with them every now and then should be a basic human right, as they can inspire some interesting things... but don't get too immersed in the scene, dude. if you ever want to be more than what you are, you can't have the anchor of drugs around your ankle. they provide comfort in situations that need better solutions than "get high and forget about it." right now, i feel as though i should be able to explain this better, but i can't... so blame that on years on drug use, too. they make a good scapegoat for all the things you feel you should be doing but aren't... so you can't allow them to actually HAVE that effect. as long as you use them recreationally and when you wouldn't be doing anything else anyway, i suppose it's your decision as to whether you are or are not doing yourself any harm.

but, you know... just try not to get into doing any of them every day. if anything else, they're just too fucking expensive.

i'll probably add more to this thread later. *sigh*

[Davey Rootbeer]

In my eyes, cigarettes, over-the-counter medication, and beer are drugs just the same as pot. the only difference is that the government legalizes some of them, and not the others.

they all have different effects, but they are similar in they affect how your body reacts to it's surroundings and itself, physically and mentally.


Below is a sample of an essay i wrote two years ago.

<b>As we glance to our morning papers while we drink out coffee and eat whatever breakfast we currently have in front of us, we might notice the many articles regarding the passage of a bill that would, if passed, legalize pot in Canada. And, while reading this, we might think to ourselves “how absurd! Not only are drugs bad for you, but they can make you addicted to them!” as you take a small sip of your coffee, letting the smooth roasted bean flavor roll around in your tongue, letting the caffeine do it’s job, ….suddenly, the craving for a cigarette hits, and before you know it, you’re inhaling Nicotine and tobacco, perhaps without even remembering how the cigarette got in your mouth…maybe later on, after work, you’ll go down to the local bar and pound a few brews with your “best buds”, as you do almost every day… you might also think “I’m never going to do drugs...they’ll mess me up!” completely unaware of the irony of your situation…

Perhaps, you might think it prudent to read the warning labels on such products…so, you reach into your pocket and take out the pack of cigarettes, and it, indeed DOES have a warning: “Please be advised that Cigarettes MAY be hazardous to your health”. “Well, that’s not so bad,” you think to yourself. And, as you look at the contents of, say, a jar of coffee, or perhaps some soda, there are no warning labels at all…what does this all mean? What does the government NOT want you to know about these drugs?



To begin, let us first take a look at the situation in Canada.

“OTTAWA - A Senate committee said in a report Wednesday that marijuana use should be legalized for adults. INDEPTH: Marijuana Laws
The Special Committee on Illegal Drugs released its final report on Wednesday morning, in which it says the public drug policy should be of a guiding nature, rather than a restrictive one.
"The committee recommends that cannabis should be from here on in legal and of restricted use, so that Canadians can choose whether to consume or not in security," Senator Pierre Claude Nolin, chair of the committee.
The committee also says the government should wipe clean the records of anyone convicted of marijuana possession. There is no good reason pot smokers should be subject to criminal law, he said.
"In many ways prohibition is a cop-out," said Nolin. He said drug policy should focus on harm reduction, prevention and treatment.
The committee concludes that cannabis is less harmful than alcohol, and rejects the idea that smoking pot leads to harder drugs.
Senator Colin Kenny said no one on the committee wants to see an increase in drug use.”

To find this article, I had to do more than a lot of in-depth searching. There’s literally no coverage of this bill on American newspapers, and sparse coverage on the Internet…the reason of this would be because while foreign affairs such as the goings-on in the Middle East have caught the nation’s eye, thus distracting unsuspecting Americans from the ruckus caused by our Neighbor to the north. Laws set by the Canadian government regarding pot use have been ill-enforced of late.
“Ever since marijuana was first banned in Canada under the 1923 Opium and Drug Act, dissenters have called the criminal penalties set for possession of the drug too harsh.
Since May 1997 illicit drugs such as marijuana have been covered by the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, which a growing number of people in Canada want scrapped.
In August 2000, Ontario's court of appeal ruled that banning marijuana for medicinal purposes violates the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. In July 2001, Canada became the first country to adopt a system regulating the medicinal use of marijuana”


Marijuana has been used as a healing drug since America was colonized. Hemp, which is the form that occurs naturally, has been used to make baskets, rope, clothing, and other beneficial substances during the colonial period. And, Marijuana has proven benefits to combat glaucoma and to ease pain. Many studies have shown the benefits of Marijuana, including :

--The Nixon Blue ribbon report of 1972 (marijuana does not cause violent aggressive behavior, does not lead to the use of harder drugs, does not constitute a major public health problem, does not lead to major chromosomal or brain damage, and does not lead to physical dependency. The commission advocated the decriminalization of marijuana for private use.-interesting to note that it was disbanded after this finding and was never further published- ),

--- The Jamaican studies of 1968-74 and 1975 by the National Institute for Mental Health (Marijuana causes "no impairment of physiology, sensory and perception, and motor performance in tests of concept formation, abstraction ability, cognitive style and memory. Social studies report positive effects. There is no link to criminal behavior.")

--And the British Raj commission report on Indian Hemp (marijuana produced minimal harmful effects and found no reason to restrict the use of marijuana.)


Marijuana has been proven to Stimulate the left side of the brain, fostering creativity. In fact, I remember an instance that I recently came upon in my biology class..the professor told us a story that the process in which DNA makes several million copies of itself was realized and proved by a famous scientist who happened to be stoned that night.


Drugs such as caffene and tobacco and alcohol are legal for sale and consumption in the United States, so why not pot? And there are no restriction on caffeine, and minimal ones for tobacco and alcohol (age restrictions) ….


Let’s compare them, shall we?

They are all Psychoactive drugs (they affect the thought process) but they do it in different ways.

Caffene speeds up the nervous system, is a “stimulant” that generally makes us more Hyper, or energetic. It’s a “false high”, as anyone who would know afer drinking a large amount of highly caffinated coffee, there’s bound to be a “crash” point.

Tobacco, in conjunction with Nicotine, is the opposite...it’s a “relaxer”, but it is indeed more dangerous as it proves to be the most addictive of the four. Feeding this addiction is very costly, and it’s harmful to others (second hand smoke).

Alcohol is probably the most dangerous drug listed. It is a toxin and acts as a depressant. It numbs nerve cells and impedes the thinking process, as opposed to the creative addition that marijuana provides. it causes violence, and complete loss of control of knowing one’s limits. There are hundreds of thousands of alcohol poisoning deaths reported in America alone, as well as millions of alcohol relating accidents and fatalities. It takes approximately 400,000 times the amount of pot to make you ‘stoned” as it takes to make a person “drunk”. In order to duplicate the effect of 3 shots of pure alcohol in an hour, you would have to smoke about 200,000 marijuana cigarettes in a period of 6 hours. There have never been any reported deaths caused directly from marijuana consumption/use.


Sources:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~4david/marstudy.html

http://cbc.ca/stories/2002/09/04/pot_committee020904 </b>

If you don't want to do drugs, fine. good for you. But don't think that the substances you probably use in your life aren't drugs either. It's rather hypocritical for someone to say smoking pot is bad, and then go home and have a coffee to wake up and a beer at night.



My opinion on drug use: You should be able to do anything to your body you want. it's your body, why do i give a crap if you want to do something to yourself?


I can't say what i have or haven't done, for public record. But i support legalisation of marijuana as a controlled substance and regulated, like alcohol or tobacco, with an age limit. I support legalisation of some psychadelics, as per the conditions above, too. But i don't really think crack/coke should be legalised...unlike pot, i don't find anything beneficial about consuming it. i don't think it should be available for sale publicly, but posession and consumption shouldn't be made a crime.

I hate it when people lump all the "illegal drugs" together, as if they were as all as bad as eachother.

Tobacco and nicotine make your lungs turn black, and increase risk of cancer. Alcohol impairs your judgement, kills brain cells, and impacts motor ability. Caffine makes your heart and pulse speed up. Pot makes you......watch cartoons and laugh at jokes that aren't funny?

I'm sorry, i just really don't see the problem there.

[Shiv]

Alcohol is probably the most dangerous drug listed. It is a toxin and acts as a depressant. It numbs nerve cells and impedes the thinking process, as opposed to the creative addition that marijuana provides. it causes violence, and complete loss of control of knowing one’s limits. There are hundreds of thousands of alcohol poisoning deaths reported in America alone, as well as millions of alcohol relating accidents and fatalities. It takes approximately 400,000 times the amount of pot to make you ‘stoned” as it takes to make a person “drunk”. In order to duplicate the effect of 3 shots of pure alcohol in an hour, you would have to smoke about 200,000 marijuana cigarettes in a period of 6 hours. There have never been any reported deaths caused directly from marijuana consumption/use. Okay, firstly, this is a groce exageration. Nobody drinks pure alcohol shots. Alcohol is a poison and is dangerous on contact, never mind consumption. The highest alcohol content in a drink I've ever heard of is in Puchin... (sp?) which is randomly in the nineties of percentage, and that is very very illegal as it is rediculously dangerous and has been known to kill. So in order to compare, try relating it to drink beer, or cocktails, or spirits if you want to get serious.

Secondly, alcohol isn't dangerous because it's a toxin. It's probably the only drug humans have actually evolved to process as it's been in use for so long and was at some stage a method of sterilising water. Alcohol is dangerous because it is underestimated, and like everything in the world, it is bad when abused. People don't get alcohol poisoning because they went out for a pint, you have to seriously flood your system with the stuff for it to negatively effect you in that way.

Also, in moderation, red wine is good for middle aged women.... okay I just think that's funny :D

As for tobacco, I hate it I hate it I hate it. Not only 'cause it is the most inconsiderate and smelly thing in the world, but because it's so damned freaking addictive. Very few people respectively get addicted to alcohol, and people who get addicted to pot tend to be able to quit with moderate effort. But there are so many people who can't live without their cigarettes. More than the health issues, the fact that it takes away a measure of free will is what gets me. It's a horrible smelly nasty crutch :P

And pot isn't so bad in my opinion, but compared to legal drugs, I have noticed it has a much greater effect on people's personalities. It makes the user a dick more often than not (not you Implode ;) but only when they get really addicted.

[Charnye West]

Didn't you guys ever play arcade games? The FBI guy at the beginning of EVERY SINGLE FRICKIN' ONE told you not to do drugs. In all seriousness, I think that's why I don't.

[SLUM WIZZARD]

I haven't really done much at all, even though I'd really like to experiment with a few things ('tussin for example, because it's all over my house like coins in a Mario videogame. Unfortunately, I have no idea how much would be too much, so I'm afraid of doing something stupid. Speed and ect. sounds intersting too, but as implode said: "you'll talk to your friends about things you've never talked about with anyone before" and there are many, many things I'd like for people not to know about me. Too many to risk.).

So far I've done purple to no effect (when you don't have a job, it's hard to buy more than a nickelbag at a time.) I've drank a little of just about everything in my friend's liquor cabinet, and every once in a while you can catch me with a pack of Black & Milds. Nothing really huge. I'll probably try other things out when I get money to burn.

[Linzoy]

I'm not going to go out of my way to buy drugs and I'm not cool enough to have friends who do them. At my school if you don't do any sports you don't exist. It's probably like that to a certain extent at all schools though. I don't think drugs are evil, but it really bothers me when people have to do anything every day. I hate seeing people drink coffee every day. I can't get over it. I love coffee, but I only drink non de-caf every once in a while. I'll probably end up getting drunk and stuff at least once but not recreationally.

[argonaut]

I have, I think, the unique perspective of seeing this subject from the far end, far removed from my years of experimenting with drugs. Most of my opinions fall into line with Implode’s – which impresses the hell out of me, in that he can see from the inside what I was only able to see from the outside. Since much of what I would say follows what he already said, I’ll borrow his format:

marijuana – My first and last love, (not counting alcohol; I'll leave those comparisons to davey and shiv). I was a few-times-a-week user from my late teens until just after my first child was born. There was never a conscious decision to quit, my interests just turned to other things. I wasn’t the ‘nothing better to do’ type user. I used it to enhance other experiences – parties, concerts, movies, road trips, skiing, hiking, golf, formula I races. And while that certainly worked for me, in retrospect I think I would have done less. I think some of the diversity, the amazing lightness-of-being of the many things I was lucky enough to experience was dulled in my memory from having been stoned while experiencing it. In short, there’s something to be said for the natural high. It may not be the highest high (I like shiv’s comparison of laziness), but looking back I think I treasure those experiences more.

I don’t buy into the enhanced creativity thing. I think those are just moments of creativity that would have come regardless. I think it’s only perceived – if you write down or record or draw the stuff that seems really awesome at the time, and then go look at it when you’re sober, it ends up seeming stupid or mundane.

vicodin et al – I have no experience with that stuff. I’ve seen people who use it a lot, and they don’t seem overly happy. I think you get into those things because of a need, and just end up getting stuck there. Like caffiene, after a while you stay on it because it’s a pain to wean yourself off, but taking it doesn’t help much.

speed/coke – One of the most important things about experimenting with drugs is realizing the everyone is different, and peoples’ ability to handle it will vary greatly. I started playing around with amphetamines near the end of my college years, to deal with my full time job / full class schedule / ample social life. I liked it way too much, and eventually graduated to cocaine, and then to crack. Implode nailed it – the addiction is consuming, was way more than I could stand up against. I became, for a short time, a person I did not at all admire. Scheming, untrustworthy and distrustful, wanting only to find more ways to get more money to buy more crack. Luckily I spotted the neon sign, the fear of seeing what I was becoming was enough to scare me off it, and I quit the stuff before digging a hole I couldn’t get out of. In short, it’s a great high, but be the fuck careful.

acid/mushrooms – I can count the number of times I tried this stuff on my son’s left foot (prizes to anyone who gets that). From my first experience with it I knew it was for special occasions only – the effect is so encompassing that you’re better off not living there. It mixes the senses, adds colors and sounds, emphasizes movement, and (if you’re lucky) makes you feel that you’ve been transported to a perfect world. You have to be sure about it, because – acid especially – it kind of amplifies your moods, and if you go in afraid of having a bad experience, you most definitely will. There are people who would do it and go to amusement parks or whatever. I could never do that – I needed to be with a few people I am very comfortable with, or I would get very anxious. The most public thing I ever did was a round of golf on mushrooms. By far the most fun I ever had playing golf. Oh… and it’s good to have some alcohol around, have a few drinks and go to sleep after, because otherwise coming down can be very depressing.


I think that marijuana should be legal. It holds up well in comparison with other legal drugs. I think the worst part of using pot is that by buying it you are filling the pockets of some of the most heinous people on earth. If it was legalized, those people would be cut off, the tobacco growers would have something else to market, the government could tax the hell out of it, billions would be saved on enforcement that isn’t working anyway, and prison space would free up for real criminals.

The other stuff I think is better being illegal, or at least prescription only – there are too many people around who would just be consumed by it. I know the pull they have had on me, and I daresay there are many with less willpower and more money.


Oh... English has been evolving for centuries. Shouldn't we have a singular pronoun that doesn't imply gender by now?

[SLUM WIZZARD]

Shouldn't we have a singular pronoun that doesn't imply gender by now?
We do. They're just stupid, that's all. (http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SpivakPronouns)

[MST3Kakalina]

Oh... English has been evolving for centuries. Shouldn't we have a singular pronoun that doesn't imply gender by now?

especially considering it's a germanic language. how long as the neuter gender been around?

[Shiv]

if you write down or record or draw the stuff that seems really awesome at the time, and then go look at it when you’re sober, it ends up seeming stupid or mundane. huh huh.... yeah.... I think the worst part of using pot is that by buying it you are filling the pockets of some of the most heinous people on earth. I'm saying this for years, :D As many people in Ireland smoke pot as do smoke tobacco. From what I can tell it's more fun and less addictive, so, well, duh ^_^

Shouldn't we have a singular pronoun that doesn't imply gender by now? Well, if less people would take offense and being referred to objectively, the world would be a better place. The word 'it' is genious in my opinions. I mean how many languages have a word that directly translates into 'it' without attatching a gender??? NOT MANY!!! I mean Irish sure doesn't. But then Irish doesn't have a word for yes, no, or hello.... unless you count dia duit, which means god be with you.... imagine that, a language so absorbed in a single religion that you can't say hi without referring to it... O.O

[Linzoy]

I don't really care if their is correct or not, that's what I say. It will become correct eventually if people keep saying it.

[Rory Storm]

I try to stay away from drugs...or rather I can't get close to them to try them, in my eyes you do drugs you end up looking twitchy and stuff...and that's bad.

[Justinian 1]

sniffing/huffing markers, paint, glue, or whatever is definately NOT a good idea, and you're a moron of you continue to do it.
How come it seems that everyone here thinks that I sniff alot? I don't I do it very rarely like once every two months and when I do I only take like one sniff. I really don't know why I do it either.

[Rory Storm]

Stupid fuck? Maybe that's it. Just Kidding. :).

[Linzoy]

Because you don't know what you're doing.

[Davey Rootbeer]

Anyone want some Jello shots? 3 for 2 bucks.

I have Orange, Blue raspberry, and cherry..take your pick.

[Justinian 1]

Hmmmmm that's a tempting deal. Any progress on the moose paper davey?

[Rory Storm]

GOD I LOVE RASPBERRY. AND CHERRY. and orange...here's yer three BUCKS....

[Justinian 1]

Because you don't know what you're doing.
What the hell does that mean? I'm a very cautious person you know. I'm not like "oh cool coke! This is my chance to look cool!" then snort everything on the table.

[Linzoy]

Why would a very cautious person get high on markers?

[Sally]

Meh, I've never done drugs. Which is surprising to me, since alot of my friends are junkies. The only time I've ever been high was when my mom gave me like, 8 times as much cough syrup than I was supposed to have. Then she sent me to school. I almost fell down the stairs several times, and people kept having to help me stand up. I had to draw pictures for my Hitchhiker's Guide project that day, too. I don't remember drawing them. I got the project back though, and it was...interesting. I got a D. I really wish I knew what I did with that thing..

Edit: Justinian, don't sniff markers. Like, at all. It's not good. Plus, they smell lik shit.

[Justinian 1]

Why not?I make sure I sniff very little and it's not like I use a bag. I don't really wanna hurt myself.I would like to try some kids cough syrup but I can't stomache it.

[Rory Storm]

SNIFFING THINGS IS ABOUT AS INTELLIGENT AS THE CRACK WHORE DOWN THE STREE FROM YOU.


~"As you leader, I encourage you from time to time, and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic. If you're unconvinced a paticular plan of action I've decided is not the wisest, tell me so. But allow me to convince you and i promise you, right here and now, no subject will ever be taboo. Except of course the subject that was just under discussion. The price you pay for bringing up my chinese or american heritage as a negative is, I collect your fucking head, JUST LIKE THIS FUCKER HERE. NOW IF ANY OF YOU SONS OF BITCHES GOT ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY, NOWS THE FUCKIN TIME!!.............I didn't think so...."

O-Ren Ishii

[Justinian 1]

You should put where you got your quotes from.

[Sally]

You should put where you got your quotes from.
You should stop sniffing things.

[Rory Storm]

You should put where you got your quotes from.


You should stop sniffing things.


I agree, whole heartedly.

[Justinian 1]

Jesus Christ your trying to make me look like a junkie. I rarely do it ok?

[AngryGoatFace]

never done drugs. actually, however, I have been high. it was after I acidentally took more than the normal dose of cough medicine and then didn't drink anything for about two days. both were by accident. I was at the dance when it started happening, so I sat down and drank some water. then I had the worst goddamned headache of all time. everyone thought I had bad luck with a girl.

oh, and once upon a time a year ago, I got really pissed off about drugs because I met a guy I knew in preschool again and he was a druggie. so I went around talking about how drugs were bad.

my general opinion about drugs is this: they fuck with your brain, and I want to go to MIT.

[Sally]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/sallyskellington/drugsrbad.jpg

It was only a matter of time...

[Justinian 1]

MMMM KAY Mr. Macky.

[the minimoose fan]

MMMM KAY Mr. Macky.
You should take a lesson from him marker junkie.

[t3]

I drank some HARD CIDER ONCE, YOU GUYS. And aside from the pounds of second-hand smoke and paint fumes that have accumilated in my lungs over the years, I have yet to have any sort of (non-pain killer related) drug enter me, 'least not while I was concious. I personally suspect that some kind of drug has sneakily been tested on me any time I eat airline food, or any of the times in my life I've ever eaten skool food, and probably every time I drink a slush puppy. Just sugar and water can't be THAT addictive, or make you see so many sharp colors.... ya knoooow?

I'd like to add that I don't make a point of not doing drugs, it's simply not my thang. But really, the amount of games and DVDs I buy in a month must amount to about the same as a severe drug addiction financially speaking. And watching cartoons and playing Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando for 5 hours at a time aren't extremely high up on the productivity list, so it's not like I can say "I've got better things to do with my time." The only real difference is that games improve your hand-eye coordination. However, it might be a WACKY ADVENTURE to someday try playing Katamari Damacy while listening to Dark Side of the Moon while in a state of ultimate highness. Or at least to watch someone I know in such a state. Such fun indeed.

[leatherface]

WEED. That's it for me, and nothing more. I eat a little cannabis butter muffin every couple of days and my life goes on as it should. Plus the pot works much better than all the overpriced anti-depressants my bastard shrink perscribes.

[Takker]

guys...I eat poppy seed muffins.

OPIATE!

[Dr. Badman]

NO U GUYS ITS OK ROBOT HAS DONE HIS RESEARCH

Im against drug experimenting when you're that young. Period.

It's like Chef says: There's a time and a place for everything, and that place is college (age-wise, at the very least).

[Shiv]

I dunno... I've either already done stuff when I was 16, or I'm grown out of the need to do stuff now I'm in college. I always thought college would be all about orgies and drugs...

[Dr. Badman]

I dunno... I've either already done stuff when I was 16, or I'm grown out of the need to do stuff now I'm in college.You're the first person I've heard say that. Even so, that's a good thing - Holding out until you're old enough, then realising you're not interested anymore is the best way around it.

[Awesome McManly]

I don't do anything that'll take away from my adoration of God. Addiction, as far as I'm concerned, is worshiping a false Idol. Yup, the only thing I'm I addicted to, is a little JC in the morning.

[Davey Rootbeer]

Hey, did you hear? Rupert Murdoch just became a Democrat!

Ethiopia just became the world's Richest country and best place to live, and the Pope converted to Hinduism.

[Awesome McManly]

Well at least the irony wasn't wasted on you.

It gets wasted on me. Every single time. Fucking light weight!


Oh and to answer your PM's, yes my sweat glands are still secreting mescaline.

[Shiv]

Is sugar a false idol???? 'cause if it is, I worship the ground it grows in *rocks back and forth like a crazy* oh lent, what to do?

[Awesome McManly]

Yes! Anything remotely enjoyable is against God's way.

This is why sodomy is actually the only form of intercourse SUPPORTED by God.


Anal sex. For a brighter tomorrow.

[Justinian 1]

I always thought that God hated sodomites.

[deep]

I can't stand smoking it makes me sick. Thats the main beef I have against ciggs and pot. IT DOES FUCKING KILL YOU! Coming from someone who never has had a smoke in her life but still had to go through one brochitis and inhaler hell because my parents were both fucking nicotine addicts. Thats right they can pay fucking $30 a carton ,but can't help that much with money for college. I coughing so hard now I can barely fucking type... My friend just quit the smoking thing and she said after a week she feels better already it just messes your lungs up.
I don't like the thought of drugs in general because I'm afraid of chemicals anyway. Anything that goes into your body and either 1) is not naturally in your body or 2) does not exist in your body in large quanities scares the fuck out of me. I was considering becoming a germophobe (i'm sick as hell right now) but I think too much antibacterial soap and oust spray would also be detrimental. Of course that is just me, I got one hell of a fear of cancer from a bad family history and a father who has worked in everything from abestos to leech 8.
As for harder stuff I don't like how some of it can leave you feeling without it. Drinking and depression seem to go together a lotThat stuff can stay in your body for years and if you have children... Anyway there is also the problem since pot ain't legal it also isn't regulated. God only knows what you get unless you grow it yourself. There are such think as stupid drooling burnouts you know. And sometimes if you want to get something harder it seems to endanger your life around here. Junkies need cash, so why not sell some guy some stuff, kill him, then take back the drugs and the cash? It happens, one guy died for $13.34 around here.
I guess the main reason I have for not trying it is that it doesn't intrest me. I'm not a spirital person. If i'm bored I can stare at a wall and be fine. An obsessive RPGer lifestyle keeps me off drugs.

[Justinian 1]

How can you choose to have a phobia? It's just something that occurs naturaly.

[deep]

How can you choose to have a phobia? It's just something that occurs naturaly.
So you would think...
Of course I am running a fever and filling out the fucking hell that is the FAFSA so my opinion means nothing right now.

[implode]

I can't stand smoking it makes me sick. Thats the main beef I have against ciggs and pot. IT DOES FUCKING KILL YOU! Coming from someone who never has had a smoke in her life but still had to go through one brochitis and inhaler hell because my parents were both fucking nicotine addicts. Thats right they can pay fucking $30 a carton ,but can't help that much with money for college. I coughing so hard now I can barely fucking type... My friend just quit the smoking thing and she said after a week she feels better already it just messes your lungs up. sounds more like a beef against your parents.

but yes, you're right, we all know by now that living dramatically decreases life expectancy.

[BreadObama69]

well played.

[Awesome McManly]

clerks

[BeastDad1987]

Oh oh! I did Adderall once. Except I didn't really, I used to take it on prescription. That shit fucked me up really bad. I wouldn't eat because whatever I put in my mouth made me feel sick, and it felt like my throat was swelling and being pushed out at the same time and I constantly felt like vomiting. I got to be under 110 lbs (I'm 5'5") and got tired pretty easily. It sucked.

I'm off it now though. I still have some extra bottles lying around, I think, unless my parents threw them away. $30000000.00 a pill, guys. Want some?

[implode]

clerks motherfucker, you just gave <i>me</i> a black eye with that onslaught of internet awesome.

I'm off it now though. I still have some extra bottles lying around, I think, unless my parents threw them away. $30000000.00 a pill, guys. Want some? maybe. let's talk zeros.

[Awesome McManly]

What? It's not like yours was caused by a girl.

.... but from a guy who got one from a girl. Ha! Eat that, momma's boy!

"hey Cory, it's your friend from Monnnntreal."

[deep]

Hey I may have something against doing it myself but if someones buying I've got a whole bottle of Vicodin (with a refill left!) that I got when I got my wisdom teeth out.
Yeah I'm too scared of chemicals to take painkillers....I do take about half the recommended amount of Alieve though.

[implode]

What? It's not like yours was caused by a girl.

.... but from a guy who got one from a girl. Ha! Eat that, momma's boy!

"hey Cory, it's your friend from Monnnntreal." :( dude. i am SO telling on you.

Hey I may have something against doing it myself but if someones buying I've got a whole bottle of Vicodin (with a refill left!) that I got when I got my wisdom teeth out.
Yeah I'm too scared of chemicals to take painkillers....I do take about half the recommended amount of Alieve though. sorry, i would, but i don't trust anyone on the internet who tries to sell me vicodin without spelling it with an exclamation point, a 7, and 12 commas.

[Awesome McManly]

:( dude. i am SO telling on you.



aww, Dude, don't be like that! You know how much love I have for your mom... well you probably know where I'm going with this ;)

[Mecha Wolf]

Only tried marijuana twice, first time I felt nothing but was paranoid like a moose. No wonder since I was in the middle of the city, during the middle of the day in a public park.
Second time was nicer, it was at night on a hilltop looking out over the city. Truly an amazing view, even better when high than it normally was . Not quite "Whoa the walls are moving," but the starlit sky did a half-decent impression of a pulsating wall.

I'm definitely looking to try psilocybin, hopefully by next autumn, for various reasons. I've read up more on the subject than humanly possible in quite a short time, thankfully I'm only half human.
It IS a spiritual journey since I have a pantheistic set of beliefs, but it's also a mental experiment. I've heard good things about it from other aspies, which makes it all the more intriguing.

Alcohol is bad, by the way, though only because people underestimate it. It's nice to have a beer and a chicken curry, though. :P

[MST3Kakalina]

beer tastes bad =C

[Mecha Wolf]

Inferior american beer tastes bad.

[MST3Kakalina]

maybe so, but i'm still all about the wine.

EVEN THOUGH I'VE ONLY HAD IT TWICE IN MY LIFE.

[Davey Rootbeer]

maybe so, but i'm still all about the wine.

EVEN THOUGH I'VE ONLY HAD IT TWICE IN MY LIFE.


Psh.

I still need to visit your college some day.

Just give me a map and a bus ticket.


It will be fun.

[MST3Kakalina]

mapquest is your friend, davey.


can't help you on the bus ticket issue, though. =/


but should you visit, there is boozing like all hell Thursday through Sunday.

[Shiv]

An obsessive RPGer lifestyle keeps me off drugs. Yay! Why get addicted to drugs when you can get addicted to video games??? :D

I don't have issues with cigs because they kill you. You die eventually anyway... I have issues with them 'cause one, they're addictive, and I'm sick to death of all the people I know trying and failing to give up. And two, 'cause they're stinky. I swear some smokers don't even realise it, but when I used to go into pubs and and the smoke was so thick I couldn't breath and my eyes were stinging, I wanted to die. I'm so happy with the ban on smoking in pubs now ^_^

Austrian beer is goooooood..... I also like the wine.

[Dr. Badman]

Apparently American beer is severely watered down compared to Australian beer.

And it's the other way around with coke. We get the watered down stuff while Americans scorch their teeth and organs.

[Shiv]

The only australian beer I've ever had is fosters, and that's nasty. I'm telling, you, ausrian or german or polish. They are the best. Or if in Dublin, go to the porter house in Temple Bar, they do pretty sweet beer too. The highest vol in a beer I ever had was about 30 or something. It was german I think. Crazy, no?

[Davey Rootbeer]

The only australian beer I've ever had is fosters, and that's nasty. I'm telling, you, ausrian or german or polish. They are the best. Or if in Dublin, go to the porter house in Temple Bar, they do pretty sweet beer too. The highest vol in a beer I ever had was about 30 or something. It was german I think. Crazy, no?


I think in the US, it's considered "hard liquor" if it's 15% alcohol by volume (15 proof) or more, since that's the highest alcohol concentration you can get from natural fertalization...in order for there to be more with stuff like wine, it is fortified (alcohol is added after fertalization).

Piss-beer is cheap in the U.S. you can get a 30-pack for under 12 bucks, but it's probably about 5-6% alco by volume, and it comes in 12 oz cans.

I like guinness, but it's too damn expensive.

Coronas are nice, but anything they import from Mexico, the bottle cap is so tight, one needs an opener...which isn't the case with domestics. guess strict importation laws and such, to prevent germs or something. also, it just...isn't right without a lime.

[argonaut]

deep -Anyway there is also the problem since pot ain't legal it also isn't regulated. God only knows what you get unless you grow it yourself. There are such think as stupid drooling burnouts you know.
All the more reason to legalize pot, if you agree with the assumption that keeping it illegal does next to nothing to stem its actual use. If it was legal it would be under control of the FDA, which would do much to keep people from mulling it with tobacco, or selling you hemp laced with angel dust. You would also have the awesome power of the tobacco industry, competing with each other to produce better varieties.

It's a good point. Particularly with harder stuff, you can never be sure of what you're getting. Coccaine, for example, is always cut with something, and the moral standards of your average trafficker won't likely prevent him from grabbing whatever is white and powdery and lying around in order to fill out a batch.

As for comparisons with tobacco - I don't smoke. I play soccer, ride my road bike, and enjoy hiking with my boys. I want to keep my lungs clean. And while (I think) marijuana has more tar than tobacco, I could justify its use in that two or three joints a week - or even two or three day - isn't going to have the same cumulative effect of smoking 30 or 40 cigarettes, as smokers tend to do.

And as for alcohol - I'm an intolerable beer snob. I'd rather drink water than the American domestics, you practically are anyway. Even the major imports - Fosters, Guiness, Corona, Molson - taste thin and mass produced to me. I much prefer the microbrews, anything produced in one location and in small batches. My current favorites are Saranac (produced in Utica), and Middle Ages (Colorado, I think, famous for their 'Impaled Ale'). My favorite beer ever was an Australian microbrew produced at the Sail and Anchor pub in Fremantle. They called it 'Dogbolter'. It was a sweet ale that came in around 28 proof. Whenever a batch came in they would hang a sign on the door reading "the dog is on". Wonderful stuff. Good thing I didn't drive while I was in Australia.

I'm a wine snob too, but not as much. Really enjoyed "Sideways", especially the line "I'm not drinking a fucking Merlot!".

(edit) Davey - the proof is twice the alcohol content. A 28 proof beer is 14% alcohol.

[Davey Rootbeer]

(edit) Davey - the proof is twice the alcohol content. A 28 proof beer is 14% alcohol.


aye, i know...typoed it up, forgot to change it..

Ooh....where can i find one of these 28-proof beers that you speak of?




at most parties i know, they break out the expensive stuff first, the alco-pop (mike's hard, smirnoff ice, etc, etc), so that when they serve cheap beer later, no one really cares about the taste.

[MST3Kakalina]

My current favorites are Saranac (produced in Utica)

waitaminute. if they brew a decent beer not FIFTEEN MINUTES FROM CAMPUS, why is the Hamilton beer of choice Keystone Light? is Saranac that much more expensive?

[argonaut]

davey -
at most parties i know, they break out the expensive stuff first, the alco-pop (mike's hard, smirnoff ice, etc, etc), so that when they serve cheap beer later, no one really cares about the taste.
But of course they do. The Bible instructs us to do so ;)

koba -
...is Saranac that much more expensive?
Yes, though I've heard that it can be had much cheaper around Utica. All the more reason to make a visit :)

[Shiv]

I like guinness, but it's too damn expensive.
hah! It's the cheapest thing in the world here. Though come to think of it, all alcohol is very expensive in Ireland. A pint in a pub is usually 4 euro somethingorother... I don't know what the deal is in America, and I'm not too bothered with exchange rates, but in mainland europe beer is dirt cheap. As is good wine ^_^ Go europe!

Coronas are nice, but anything they import from Mexico, the bottle cap is so tight, one needs an opener...which isn't the case with domestics. guess strict importation laws and such, to prevent germs or something. also, it just...isn't right without a lime. I like corona. I'm also a major fan of tequilla!!! It makes me oh so very happy :D

[MST3Kakalina]

Yes, though I've heard that it can be had much cheaper around Utica. All the more reason to make a visit :)


then a beer snobbery visit is certainly in order. that way, i can decline party invitations based on "oh, you're only serving Keystone Light? no Saranac? i'll pass, thank you." <s>hahaha like i'd even be invited to that kind of party</s>

[Awesome McManly]

mmmm.... Molson....

I'm enjoying a nice bottle of 151 proof rum. 75% percent, yo!

[Davey Rootbeer]

hah! It's the cheapest thing in the world here. Though come to think of it, all alcohol is very expensive in Ireland. A pint in a pub is usually 4 euro somethingorother...

Guinness: 4 bucks a pint here. you can get a bud or something for usually 6 or 7 bucks a pitcher...(about 60oz? 3-4 pints?)

Coronas are usually $2.50 a bottle at the bars.

[Shiv]

then a beer snobbery visit is certainly in order. that way, i can decline party invitations based on "oh, you're only serving Keystone Light? no Saranac? i'll pass, thank you." hahaha like i'd even be invited to that kind of party I don't understand the concept of not having to bring my own liquor to a party. I mean, yeah, there's always a chance for free booze, but not being 'served', just lying around with nobody looking O_O

Guinness: 4 bucks a pint here. you can get a bud or something for usually 6 or 7 bucks a pitcher...(about 60oz? 3-4 pints?) Stupid expensiveness.... oh well, bud is evil pisswater, so no worries there. To get a good Guinness in Ireland you gotta head down the country where it costs about 3.20 a pint. It's not something I drink regularly, but I do tend to drink it abroad, which is weird because it's never the same. It's stout, but it's not quite Guinness... I plan one day to tour the world and write a travellers guide to Irish Pubs of the World. I will be famous!!!!!

[MST3Kakalina]

shiv, here's the thing: i'm too young to buy booze. therefore, any alcohol i may encounter in the tender years between now and aged 21 is therefore probably going to be a handout in one way or another.

[Dr. Badman]

The law says you're old/mature enough to drive, but not to drink?

[Justinian 1]

Yep. Your old enough to drive after you can get a flying license, bfore you can smoke and vote and long before you can drink, here in the U.S.

[Shiv]

Not a bad thing. Might slow down the drinking and driving.... prolly not though. I'm old enough to drink in America now, yay. I bought beer sometimes when I was under 18 though. Not very often, but it's much more strict here now.

[Davey Rootbeer]

oh! we can also own guns and other weapons legally long before we can drink.

I think there's a weakly-enforced age limit for swords and axes and crossbows and stuff, which i believe is 18. but posession at any age is legal. for a pocket-knife, legally, i think the blade has to be smaller than 4 of your fongers sideways...

Guns vary by state, and further by TOWN.

In my town, you can legally buy a rifle at 16. But anything smaller, or a concealed weapon (handgun, etc) is..i think 19?

The only things that are really strictly regulated are assault weapons and switchblades. i..BELIEVE switchblades are pretty much completely illegal to sell in every state but california. Just a stab in the dark though. (hehehe..i'm so punny)

[MST3Kakalina]

Not a bad thing. Might slow down the drinking and driving.... prolly not though. I'm old enough to drink in America now, yay. I bought beer sometimes when I was under 18 though. Not very often, but it's much more strict here now.
i don't know, we still have drunk driving with teenagers. i think Germany has a very good way of dealing with it (at least from what i understand), in that they're extremely strict and serious about it. i'm not German, though, nor have i ever been to Germany, so i couldn't really say.

[Linzoy]

I've heard that in germany they give you beer with every meal and everyone drives too fast.

[Justinian 1]

Yeah you can get your hunting licenss at 12 too and a rifle at minimal 12.