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Davey Rootbeer
05-04-2005, 07:58 AM
And it sure as heck ain't dandy to be a yankee fan these days. Most of you are probably too young to really remember the last time this team fell apart the way it has through the first 25 games of the season, putting them 6 and a half back of...BALTIMORE?

From the strike-shortened 1994 to just last season, the yanks were at the top of the divisuon or runner-up EVERY YEAR. Of course it's nowhere as impressive as the Braves' run, but these yanks did something the braves couldn't: string together 4 world championships in 5 years, achieving a dynasty that hadn't been seen around these parts since the days of Jackson, Martin, and Munson.

These aren't the same Yankees which caused American League managers to pull out their hair in the 50's. THey aren't the same machine that entertained fans and sent pitchers to an early grave during the happy-go-lucky 20's, and even into the depression, the iconic Babe Ruth remained an imposing figure, with a shadow that engulfed the entire length of death valley out in left-center. And then his years caught up with him, and he plummetted faster than a Mike Scott forkball.

Perhaps babe ruth is a symbol of this team now.

Not the young whiz kid out of baltimore harbour, pitching 3-hitters and smacking the ball around fenway (and later, Yankee Stadium) as if it were a drunken fly.

The Old, fat, sick Babe Ruth.

He could still draw crowds from all over the world, but that's all he was good for at that point. Just an old guy with a glorious past, an ability to draw crowds, and no talent left.

Just the kind of guys that steinbrenner goes after.

He should have learned his lesson in the early 80's. After purchasing the team from CBS in the mid 70's, he went out on the newly formed free agent market, and lured talent over. There was Catfish Hunter, Reggie Jackson, and Tommy John. You mix that in with a bright young crop with Thurman Munson, Willie Randolph, and Louisiana Lighnin', Ron Guidry, and you have a team that wins 4 pennants over a 6 year span, including 2 world championships. A team that constantly battled with eachother, and made the front cover of the sports page (and a couple of articles on the front page too!) every day. a balance of superstars and homebrewed talent, the magical formula that took it all the way for Martin and Lemon.

Steinbrenner gambled yet again on the free agent market, willing to pay a price, any price, for success. and he was willing to give up the farm system for already-established players. The result? The yanks went on a drought that spanned Don Mattingly's career. Overpriced, underachieving former stars came over in the bunches, The minor leagues were gutted to be used for trade bait, and for 12 years, the yankees went fishing for bass in october instead of pop flies.

Steinbrenner experienced his troubles, getting suspended from the game for a while, getting in legal trouble for getting caught hiring a private snoop to tail Dave Winfield to see if he was cheating on his contract, and giving millions of dollars to prima donna Rickey Henderson to talk in the third person and steal bases when he felt like it.

There's a seinfeld episode that sums it up. "Jay Buhner for Ken Phelps???"

The yankees of the late 80's and early 90's were a perfect reflection on the character of George Costanza, in a way. Underachieving to the point of laughability, biut refusing to make changes and adapt. Steinbrenner continued to go after the elderly, while across town, at Shea, the Mets pointed and laughed.

Then, in the early 90's, something special happened. Bernabe Williams Figueroa came up through the minor league system, as well as a couple of other guys named Mariano Rivera and Jorge Posada, Andy Pettite, and Derek Jeter in '95. A core mix of solid, reliable veterans came in, to teach the young'uns. Paul O'Neill from the Reds, Wade Boggs from the SAWCKS. Darryl Strawberry from the rehab clinic, and John Wetteland, from Texas. They melded into one team, a team without superstars, for the first time in yankees history. there was no marquee name on the scorecard. Just a bunch of kids who knew how to play ball, and well.

It's been 10 years. The core of Jeter, Posada, Rivera, and Williams is aging rapidly. Pettite is gone, and all the veterans that helped the yanks come back to the top are retired. O'Neill's a broadcaster. Boggs just got in the Hall. Strawberry's back in the clinic. Wetteland's a pitching coach. The core of young players has become the veterans, supposed to teach the next crop of youngsters how the game is played.

Problem is, there ARE no more youngsters. The couple of bright spots on the farms have been given away to pay the salaries of the aging new...yep. Superstars. Christian Guzman? Gone, traded to the twins for Knoblach. Ted Lilly? Gone to toronto. Wily Mo Pena? Cincinnatti. Alfonzo Soriano? Traded for A-rod.

And what you have left, that you see before you right now, is a team with an average age of 33 years, by far the oldest in the majors.
After 2 years of being shut out of reaching the world series, steinbrenner went for an OLDER team. The pitching staff is anchored by 41-year old Randy Johnson, 40-year old Kevin Brown, and 36-year old Mike Mussina, making 29-year old Jaret Wright and 29-year old Carl Pavano the toddlers of the rotation, despite having 17 years of major league experience between them.

Dynasties don't last forever. what the braves have been able to do, since 1991, is constanly shuffle in and out new players, develop a solid farm, and build a core of good, young players, augmented by veterans, not the other way around.

If the yankees want to finish ahead of anyone in the AL east other than the sorry D-rays, they should look to Atlanta.

The sox broke "the curse of the bambino" in 2004. But now, the Yankees <i>are</i> the curse of the Bambino. Only this time, they're cursed with the other side of the Babe. the side that didn't know how to go out on top, the side that didn't know how to prepare for the future, the side that said "let's play for the now, and only for the now".

It's a ghost that'll stay there until King George opens his eyes and learns to win, all over again.

<sub> would you believe this is all from the top of my head? </sub>

lepat silec
05-04-2005, 01:31 PM
Eh, I like the Cardinals.

Davey, is the dude in your avatar you? (holy shit, deja vu.)

Anyway, this post was shitty.

FGandhi
05-04-2005, 02:40 PM
Davey - an interesting thing to note (I am a huge yankee fan as well, btw), is that the core players who came through the farm system that made up our fantastic run in the mid to late '90s were all developed and brought up during Steinbrenner's suspension. There's this lovely correlation between his suspension and the team turning itself around, and also between his return and the payroll rising and team quality falling.

Sadly, as long as he's "calling the shots" I don't see anything changing. Given the rate at which this season is falling apart, I am vaguely banking on him firing everyone and, or (but not exclusive of firing everyone) trying to run the team himself. If he makes a COMPLETE debacle out of everything when he tries to run the team and finishes back with the Devil Rays, perhaps he'll figure out how little he really understands running a team and leave it to those more suited for such a job.

I'm happy that our younger players are getting a chance to play now, but they won't be given much of a chance. First time they fail, they'll be removed from the line-up much as Andy Phillips has been after going 0-5 with 5 strikeouts. He's gone, Tino's back in. I'm also vaguely worried that they'll do well and be traded. Just like Klaussen, Halsey, or not resigned for some reason like Lieber, El Duque, Pettitte, and Cairo.

Trying times, no?

~FGandhi.

Davey Rootbeer
05-04-2005, 02:55 PM
well, on the "positive" side, is that he has appeared to "soften up" a bit over the years. and he IS willing to spend money for the team, which is more than can be said for bunches of other markets like Oakland, Cleveland, and Montreal.

In fact, Oakland and Montreal have done the COMPLETE POLAR OPPOSITE of what the yankees have done. that is, served as a talent for developing great young players, making a one-year run for the playoffs, MAYBE 2 or 3, and then selling off their high-priced now-stars. Oakland's been doing it for the last 15 years, performing in cycles of getting talent, making a run, and then selling them off to make money, and get prospects. Montreal, due to never having ANY money, raised (and had to sell off) some of the greatest players in the game right now: Randy Johnson, Larry Walker, Moises Alou, Pedro Martinez (actually, he started with LA. but flourished noth of the border.) They made a run in '94, and if it weren't for the strike.....well, we all know how that turned out.

Florida went and sold all it's high-priced players after they won the series in '97. They actually ended up IN THE RED that year, despite winning a championschip. Back then, everyone said it was a horrible idea, a "fire sale". and it was, but they ended up with prospects like beckett, penny, and looper, and got back to the postseason within 6 years.

Montr---i mean WASHINGTON's going to be interesting. It's the same montral team, but with actual FAN SUPPORT and , in the near future, an owner who might spend a bit of dough on the team. I could see them competing....But not while they're still owned by the 29 other teams.

FGandhi
05-04-2005, 04:11 PM
Washington will be interesting, and yes I certainly approve of the money that gets spent on the Yanks. I just disapprove with how it's spent. :)

Florida was a dirty shame, in 1997. It should (somehow) be illegal for an owner to do what he did with that team. :/

Oakland is odd.

Anyway - time to go listen to the game. We have a AA guy Sean Penn vs Hideo Nomo.

Davey Rootbeer
05-04-2005, 05:01 PM
Ah, crazy-windup guy.

I saw him pitch a few times as a Met, after his amazing no-look cyclone delivery fell under the radar of national league hitters. Pitchers with a gimmick like that experiencing wild success often get found out all too soon, i'm afraid, and then it's sink or swim, and try to find a new gimmick. I remember this guy who pitched for Colorado a few years ago. Don't remember his name. Think it was House, or something...he LEPT off the mound as he threw the ball, and could hit 99 on the radar gun.

Wonder whatever happened to him..

And i don't have MSG, so i'm currently watching Wakefield butterfly the Tigers' hitters to death on ESPN.

robot
05-04-2005, 07:53 PM
you write thesis paper shit on major league baseball

wtf

Davey Rootbeer
05-04-2005, 07:54 PM
Thesis paper? Damn man, this is off the top of my HEAD.

If only baseball history was a Major option in college, i'd be a professor by now. :(

ssjvaporeon
05-04-2005, 09:14 PM
yankees suck

implode
05-05-2005, 03:38 AM
:P

i'll respond later, with words. betcha can't wait. me either. :P

FGandhi
05-05-2005, 09:59 AM
Hmm... I wonder if this is what it feels like to be a pirates fan.

Davey Rootbeer
05-05-2005, 10:20 AM
I can imagine this.

Old guy: Back in MY day, we had a great team.

Kid: Yeah right. you don't have Barry bonds, the bestest known player in the universe!

Old guy: actually we DID have Barry bonds! But that was the old barry bonds, who would hit .290 and only hit 30 home runs, but gol-dang it, he could steal 30-40 bases!

Kid: YOU'RE SENILE.

Old guy: No, really! we also had Bobby Bonilla before he became a pompous blowhard! and Andy Van Slyke, and Jay Bell! and we had a great pitching staff, too! we had Drabek, and Zane Smith, and John Smiley, and a Bullpen by committee! and almost went allll the way, but the dang reds and braves knocked us off each time.

Kid: I don't believe you, pops!

Old guy: ......(Thinks of Three Rivers Stadium)

(a tear appears in the corner of Old Guy's eye as he rocks back and forth)

implode
05-05-2005, 11:48 AM
holy andy van slyke, dude. that's a name i haven't heard since my pajamas had feet.

if it's any consolation, we're having a bit of pitching trouble ourselves - wells is gone for another month, despite being well enough to blow off the team and go watch the celtics gift wrap the last playoff game, and schilling... i don't even know how long he's gone. we had <i>jeremy gonzales and john halama</i> start the last two games. foulke is a question mark, as he's been blowing saves left and right for the past few weeks, and matt mantei can't even casually stroll over to the dugout without hurting himself. we're in no better pitching shape than you are - the only discernable difference i can see is that our players actually hit the ball every now and then. :P

MST3Kakalina
05-05-2005, 11:56 AM
Curt Schilling used to pitch for the Phillies.


...that's all i got.

implode
05-05-2005, 11:59 AM
haha. he certainly did! but they still sucked.

MST3Kakalina
05-05-2005, 12:30 PM
there was that time they made it to the World Series.


before i was even born.


and lost to Toronto. i think. some Canadian team.


sometimes they show it on ESPN classics.

Davey Rootbeer
05-05-2005, 01:57 PM
Schilling is an asswipe, no matter how well he pitches, and for what team.

Even if he pitched for the yanks, i'd hate him. everytime he opens his mouth, a guitar dies.

And yeah, the phils made it into the series in '93, it was, led by none other than Nails himself, Lenny Dykstra, Darren Daulton, and the Wild thing, Mitch Williams. who gave up that series-ending home-run to Carter.


You weren't even born in '93?

Wow, you're pretty damn smart for a 12 year old, then.





I seem to have the amazing ability to be able to watch a baseball game on TV in the movies/on a tv show/on ESPN classic and tell, within 3 years, what year the game took place in, and therefore, determine the year the movie/tv show took place in, based on uniforms, the TV techniques, and the actual players themselves.