animal mercy killings etc.

[ManiacTHP]

I had a collie dog named Petey that's been around when I was a baby. He got hit by a car when I was 11 and the car tore off his right foreleg. My dad put him down rather than having my best friend bleed to death. I miss him so much.

[ssjvaporeon]

you couldn't amputate?

[ManiacTHP]

No, he was too far gone. Plus, we live a good hour and a half from the nearest vet.

[ssjvaporeon]

No, he was too far gone. Plus, we live a good hour and a half from the nearest vet.

So how did your dad end the animals "suffering". If it wasn't done at a vet then it is illegal. Just a bunch of excuses.

[HOMERCHESTRA]

Christ, you're a bitch.

[exemplary citizen]

Oh, come on. They live out in the boonies. What's more humane, to let the animal slowly bleed to death, or to end it quickly. Legal or not, it would be inhumane to just go, "oh well, we can't take him to a vet to have him put to sleep, so I guess we just wait it out".

[ssjvaporeon]

friggin ridiculous, if this happened to a person in the family they would certainly bring them to a hospital. I think the problem here is that the dog is "disposable" and that isn't fair. I hope they never own another animal.

[HOMERCHESTRA]

You gonna call the police, SSJ? It'd only be the right thing to do.

[MST3Kakalina]

yeah, i take it you haven't had the experience of living twenty minutes from the nearest stoplight. if i were in such a position, i would have done the same thing, legal or not. it's all the same to the dog, and that's what counts.

with a person, you can call 911 and an ambulance would make it there pretty damn quick. can you do the same for a dog? uh, no.

[ssjvaporeon]

You gonna call the police, SSJ? It'd only be the right thing to do.

your so retarded
you are missing the whole point, and I'm not surprised

[ssjvaporeon]

yeah, i take it you haven't had the experience of living twenty minutes from the nearest stoplight. if i were in such a position, i would have done the same thing, legal or not. it's all the same to the dog, and that's what counts.


It isn't all the same. I assume the father shot the dog. Killing something with a gun does not always offer quick death, but suffering.

[MST3Kakalina]

i think a shot in the head would end things pretty quickly. even if it wasn't instantaneous, still quicker than an <b>hour and a half</b> drive to the vet.

[HOMERCHESTRA]

your so retarded
you are missing the whole point, and I'm not surprised


IRONY MISSILE. FUCKING IRONY MISSILE.

[ssjvaporeon]

who is to say the dog would have died? Things like this happen because people aren't educated.

[HOMERCHESTRA]

You can be educated up the fucking ass and still know when it's more practical and humane to end your dog's life than let it bleed to death on the ride to the vet. Or you can be a pompous and callous windbag and throw the "oh your father is a criminal for murdering your dog for no reason whatsoever" line. Just in case you didn't read it correctly,
THE DOG LOST ITS LEG.
Unless any one of them knew enough about veterenary anatomy to allow them to properly apply a tourniquet (which probably still wouldn't be enough), then there was nothing they could do. The dog would've been dead in a matter of minutes, anyways.

And you say I'm retarded.

[ssjvaporeon]

And you say I'm retarded.


yes, yes I did

[MST3Kakalina]

i'm assuming that the dog was pretty close to death, if not really fucked up, between getting hit by car AND having a leg torn off. i don't think a person would put down a pet they loved on their own unless they were absolutely sure there was no way to save them without a lot of pain and suffering, so i'm assuming Maniac's dead made a reasonably well-informed decision and did what he thought best.

[ssjvaporeon]

Maniac's dead made....

yes



Still, then animal was not treated right. If it were "human" he wouldn't have been shot. People just seem to think of animals as something lesser than themselves, and it is wrong.

[HOMERCHESTRA]

I fucking hate these PeTA whack-jobs.

[ssjvaporeon]

I fucking hate these PeTA whack-jobs.

oooh good come back you moron.

[HOMERCHESTRA]

This thread is just an absolute shining example of your limitless intelligence, SSJ, not to mention your ineffable debate skills. You've shown that you're not only completely callous and ridiculously dogmatic, but you're a ponce to boot. And the fact that you can't even argue your own side beyond spouting tired PeTA dogma and calling me "retarded" in AIM grammar just sort of seals the deal, doesn't it?

[ssjvaporeon]

This thread is just an absolut....blah blah
http://www.montessoriworld.org/Handwork/puppets/puppet35.JPG





get over yourself

[MST3Kakalina]

yes



Still, then animal was not treated right. If it were "human" he wouldn't have been shot. People just seem to think of animals as something lesser than themselves, and it is wrong.
but...what?

it sounds like you're saying that doctor assisted suicides are bad, going by that logic. which makes no sense to me.

i don't see how putting an animal out of its misery makes it "lesser" than him at all. if he did what he did out of love and concern for the animal, how is that seeing it as "less" than human? unless your argument is just the fact that he shot the dog, regardless of the context.

[HOMERCHESTRA]

Fuck, you're 21?


Kelvan disses better than you do. Shit on a fucking shit.

[ssjvaporeon]

but...what?

it sounds like you're saying that doctor assisted suicides are bad, going by that logic. which makes no sense to me.

i don't see how putting an animal out of its misery makes it "lesser" than him at all. if he did what he did out of love and concern for the animal, how is that seeing it as "less" than human? unless your argument is just the fact that he shot the dog, regardless of the context.


It is just that he shot the dog, not the best way to go about things. He really should have tried to stop the bleeding (tie off the leg) and get the dog to the vet. I don't think there was any effort made there at all, other than the dog in his opinion was dying, so he shot it. Animals can get through lots of things, and lacerated limbs won't kill them if they get veterinary care.

[HOMERCHESTRA]

It is just that he shot the dog, not the best way to go about things. He really should have tried to stop the bleeding (tie off the leg) and get the dog to the vet. I don't think there was any effort made there at all, other than the dog in his opinion was dying, so he shot it. Animals can get through lots of things, and lacerated limbs won't kill them if they get veterinary care.

And, as I addressed before, unless he was a vet himself, he probably wouldn't know how to do that. You don't even know where the pressure point on a dogs foreleg is, SSJ, and that's the only place that a tourniquet would do any good on an injury as massive as an amputation.

[ssjvaporeon]

And, as I addressed before, unless he was a vet himself, he probably wouldn't know how to do that. You don't even know where the pressure point on a dogs foreleg is, SSJ, and that's the only place that a tourniquet would do any good on an injury as massive as an amputation.


who says I don't know? I only do it EVERY day. Geez, you are such an ass.

[Insomnia Artist]

yes



Still, then animal was not treated right. If it were "human" he wouldn't have been shot. People just seem to think of animals as something lesser than themselves, and it is wrong.


And that's why I'm vegetarian. People are so fucking stupid it makes me sick.

[robot]

well it sure looks as if SOMEONE isnt winning the next RWAM official contest...

[ssjvaporeon]

well it sure looks as if SOMEONE isnt winning the next RWAM official contest...

thanks, I need to update the shit list

[MST3Kakalina]

who says I don't know? I only do it EVERY day. Geez, you are such an ass.
but not everyone does it everyday. i think that was his point.

[ssjvaporeon]

no, it meant me: "You don't even know where the pressure point on a dogs foreleg is, SSJ, and that's the only place that a tourniquet would do any good on an injury as massive as an amputation."

and my point was that people need to be educated about this sort of stuff. Being an animal owner has responsibilities.

[SLUM WIZZARD]

SSJ, you have a good point there, but the thing is, her dad didn't know. And that's what we were talking about.

Sure, it would be nice if people knew these things, but alot of people don't, and since most people don't carry internet access with them everywhere, you're not going to find the info you need in the middle of damned nowhere. Shooting the dog is an unfortunate thing to have to do, but at that point in that situation, it was the right thing.

Am I getting a point across here, or am I just babbling like I always do at this hour?

[HOMERCHESTRA]

Careful, disagreeing with SSJ lands you the "retarded moron" title.


But yes, you got your point across.

[MST3Kakalina]

no, it meant me: "You don't even know where the pressure point on a dogs foreleg is, SSJ, and that's the only place that a tourniquet would do any good on an injury as massive as an amputation."

and my point was that people need to be educated about this sort of stuff. Being an animal owner has responsibilities.
educated about how to apply a tourniqet to your dog's severed leg? maybe if there are a lot of bear traps around or something, otherwise i would put that in the same category of, say, knowing how to apply a tourniqet to a human. i don't know how to do that, so i'm going to go on a limb here and assume that most people DON'T know how, unless they're boy scouts or something. i mean yes, pet owners should be educated, with at least a general knowledge of how to take care of their animal, proper feeding (and breeding, if that's their thing), common illnesses and health problems and how to treat them, etc. i would fault anyone for not knowing that. but other than that? it's just a question of the kind of luck you have.

[Forever Finite]

And that's why I'm vegetarian. People are so fucking stupid it makes me sick.
uh...what?

ew. no wonder people hate vegetarians. stop that, you're making us look bad!

anyway, i think the reason SSJ and [everyone else] don't agree is because she is arguing that animals should be treated like humans in every way. She is assuming, however, that if a person were to be hit by a truck and lie bleeding to death in the road with a leg torn off, not a soul would shoot them in the head over rushing them to the nearest (read: hour and a half away) hospital. She is probably right, however, if i were that person, i would probably beg to be shot in the head. since animals can't exactly VERBALIZE their extreme agony, it's up to the owner to make the decision of how to handle the situation. that is as far as my opinion goes. if it were my dog, i would most definitely put the dog down on the spot if i thought that there was no way he/she could survive the trip to the vet or was in too much pain.

who says I don't know? I only do it EVERY day. Geez, you are such an ass.
there was no way he could have known that you work with animals. besides, don't you think it's kind of <I>obvious</i> that he was only trying to make a point that the average person doesn't have four years of medical training under their belt?

[exemplary citizen]

Yeah, you really can't expect everybody to be a fully qualified vet before they can have a dog.

[Forever Finite]

let alone have a full high school education.

[Vile]

yyyyeah. About time I found this.

As a peta "whackjob" I actually not only believe in mercy killing- I suggest it in a lot of cases. But I have to go to school. Be back soon.

[Dr. Badman]

SSJ: If in that situation, I'd make an attempt to save the animal's life by driving it to the vet, even in a seemingly hopeless situation. However, that's a personal choice. You shouldnt condemn people for wanting their wounded pet not to suffer a slow death. It's just as humane to put it out of it's misery as it is to hopelessly attempt to save it.

[ManiacTHP]

My dog was lying in a puddle of his own blood. I could see the blood pouring out of his fucking leg. He was torn up pretty bad; he would have died from blood loss if my dad wouldn’t have put him down. I cried for days after it happened, I’ve never been so attached to a pet like my Petey. I think it was better to die quickly and end your suffering than fucking bleeding to death on the side of the road.

Also, no one in my family knew how to stop the bleeding, we tried, but he just wouldn’t stop bleeding.

[Awesome McManly]

SSJ: If in that situation, I'd make an attempt to save the animal's life by driving it to the vet, even in a seemingly hopeless situation. However, that's a personal choice. You shouldnt condemn people for wanting their wounded pet not to suffer a slow death. It's just as humane to put it out of it's misery as it is to hopelessly attempt to save it.


Not to mention all the blood stains on the upholstery.

...

I always manage to say the wrong thing. :(

[HOMERCHESTRA]

yyyyeah. About time I found this.

As a peta "whackjob" I actually not only believe in mercy killing- I suggest it in a lot of cases. But I have to go to school. Be back soon.

Then you've got more sense than a lot of PETA members do.

[Rory Storm]

AHEM, If I may.

You see, either way the dog would have had to have been put down. Based on what Maniac has said, it sounds that, in fact, the dog would have been put down. NOW, both options resulted in death. Seeing this, death resultant, we would want to also look at time, or suffering. People usually try to keep this down to a minimum, BECAUSE SUFFERING IS INHUMANE. Allowing any sort of thing to suffer is bad. Putting the thing out of it's misery is the best possible thing to do. Look at it this way:
You have cancer, your doctor says you have 3 weeks to live. It is terminal. You have had second opinions. They are all the same. You have the luxury of having all your family around you. You say your good-byes, then what? You have three weeks to suffer or live out in a drugged up haze. Inevitably you will die. You know you are going to, you know you will, do you choose death? Suicide? Assisted suicide? I have already said that if I were to ever come down with such an illness that would cause death, any sort of terminal illness, I want to die/be killed. I don't want to suffer. This situation applies to this dogs situation: Would you REALLY want to rush to the hospital, what? 30 minutes to an hour away? While having the dog suffer? Do you really want to watch something that has been part of your life for YEARS, part of your family for YEARS, there every day, FOR YEARS, suffer? Would you prolong the agony on yourself? I sure as hell wouldn't. You might want to. It's all personal options. That is why I believe there is no straight answer here. Though, I do agree with Reverand. It comes down to what you believe is right and what you think is wrong. What would you want others to do to YOU in that situation?

[Vile]

Then you've got more sense than a lot of PETA members do.


I get that a lot, yeah.

Anyhow- salute to Rory. He gets what I mean. Or was going to mean before he said it for me.

[Rory Storm]

I am you puppet slave, vile.

[HOMERCHESTRA]

Oh but no, Rory, you're an ignorant animal abuser. Seriously, police calling is going on right now. Orders are being filled. 47 is being dispatched.

[Rory Storm]

Shit.

SHIT.

[Vile]

<img src="http://www.mlssa.asn.au/journals/beached%20whale.jpg">

Don't worry Betsy, I've got you!

[Rory Storm]

<img src="http://www.mlssa.asn.au/journals/beached%20whale.jpg">

Don't worry Betsy, I've got you!

Load it up into the car vile, we need to save her. We need to get her to a vet. We can't lose her. OH NOES!

[Vile]

But the vet is an hour and a half away!

[Rory Storm]

WELL WHAT DO WE DO NOW?

I TELL YOU WHAT, WE DON'T PISS OFF THOSE WHO SAY "LET THEM SUFFER, KEEP THEM ALIVE, THEY LIKE IT:)!"

Yeah, try HARDER Vile, TRY HARDER. If Jesus can bring people back from the dead, you can too.

[Vile]

This is getting tasteless. Her doggie died. Shame.

[Rory Storm]

But we're trying to make a point.

FINE.

[Vile]

We already did.

You know, I don't think I've ever actually seen SSJ win an arguement.

I'm banned.

[KLEIN]

Whether or not it's applicable here...

But Vets can be really expensive. Especially for a non-appointment heavy surgery like this. There's no point in driving an hour and a half to the vet and then being slapped with a thousand dollar bill.

The main thing that pisses me off about self-righteous PETA members...

Is that they spend all their time whining about dogs, cats, and chickens, leaving animals that are endangered all by themselves. Who cares if whales are being hunted? Who cares if deforestation is killing the rainforest? Who cares if manatees die because people in powerboats drive too fast in shallow water?

But no. There are chickens to save.

[Vile]

To be fair-

eh. I know. It's getting to the point where I can't even argue for them anymore. I joined because I'm loving the bunnies. But I like Greenpeace too, so in a sick way, it all balances out.

I saved a squirrel once.

[Rory Storm]

I tried to save a chipmunk that was attacked by a cat. When I got to it its spine or legs were broken. I didn't want to kill it...but I didn't want to let it suffer...So I put it on the back wall in my back yard, and walked away. (it was safe there.)

[AngryGoatFace]

Then you've got more sense than a lot of PETA members do.
<font face="trebuchet MS">yes, it has been proven that the PETA is donating to the ALF and other animal extremist groups. for those who aren't familiar with this, these are insane nutjobs who firebomb animal testing facilites, free the animals, and spray paint things like "vegan power" across the nearby buildings. i suppose they don't realize that if, say, they die due to cancer, it might be because there was a shortage of lab rats to test vaccines on.

how awesome is that?

mice killing these extremist fucks from beyond the grave.

go figure.

edit: not to mention the fact that PETA is strongly against keeping animals AS PETS. </font>

[Vile]

Only some animals, I think.

[BreadObama69]

animals aren't people.

y'know?

[ssjvaporeon]

and this is what is wrong with the world, you all suck.

[SLUM WIZZARD]

We suck.

Because we aren't good enough veteranareans to save a dog with a whole leg severed off.

Wow. Talk about setting high standards for the common human being.

[ManiacTHP]

I agree that animals do have feelings and feel pain and they deserve to be treated right. My dog deserved to live to an old age and die safe and happy. But that didn’t happen, now did it? You can’t say that I can’t have animals just because my dad chose to end his life quickly than let him suffer. What would you do Ssjvaporeon, if your dog was bleeding to death, lived an hour and a half from the nearest vet, and have no medical training. What would you do that’s so more humane than what my dad did?

[KLEIN]

and this is what is wrong with the world, you all suck.

what? That Kane thinks (correctly) that animals are not people?

Is that a problem in SSJ land?

[Taylor]

PETA blows.

I am all for animal rights, but I am certainly not for shoving it in all your faces. I am a vegan, I don't waste, I don't kill. I don't even kill bugs. I think humans are sick, the way they treat animals. No, they're not people in the sense that they haven't figured out how to build a government and cities and take over the world yet, but they have emotions. YES THEY DO. Don't deny it because it makes you feel bad, they have fucking emotions and they feel fucking pain, and fear. If my dinky little hedgehogs can have personalities, which they definitely do, than I think a fucking cow is capable of the same, and more.

But you know what? I fucking hate PETA, and anyone else that behaves like them. MIND YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS. All you do is hurt your own cause by coming off as a pushy asshole, and a psycho. Keep it to your fucking self. Nobody cares. Nobody wants a guilt trip for eating pizza, and if you sit and spout off about how many animals suffered to get them their pork rinds, do you really think they're going to jump off the couch and declare they shall never eat meat again? No, they're going to eat their pork rinds, AND want to punch you in the fucking face for hassling them about YOUR values. You make me look bad. Shut the fuck up.

Anyway, I didn't mean to rant, but my point is: So you would let your dog suffer, good for you. Shut up and tell maniac you're sorry for her loss, because no matter how she dealt with it, that situation has to be a fucking sad one, and being one who LOVES ANIMALS SO MUCH THEY'RE PEOPLE OMG, I think you can sympathize, eh ssj? How would you feel? Pipe down about your personal agenda for two seconds and either give your condolences, or Shut. Up. You're just making yourself look like an asshole.

Oh, and P.S.

your so retarded

That's hilarious.

[Vile]

and this is what is wrong with the world, you all suck.


Ok. Let's just look at the facts while we say "bye bye mr. Let's pretend we're all superheros!" and say hello to "Ms. Reality".

At the rate this dog was bleeding there is NO WAY (considering the beast was gushing blood, I spose) it could has survived the trip to the vets without atleast being (fucked up) for the rest of it's life. The dog was also (let's assume) in shock.

<b> HEY GUYS SHOCK WOAH.</b>

Shock alone could kill it too. Ok, so now the odds are stacked higher. No matter what, this dog is gonna suffer.

You can A) End it now
B) Drag out what we all know would probably had've happened.


YOU are what's wrong with the world. Keeping that poor thing alive would be a sin. I don't believe in god, ok? But I believe THAT would be a crime against the well being and quality of life you are preaching for. Hypocrite.

PS- PETA supports mercy killings. I checked. Want I should scan the article?


(woah. I spelled scan with a K. Trippy.)

[xsbs52x]

as Kane said, animals are NOT people. (most) people value the lives of people more than the lives of animals. and im sure you do, too. if you had to choose between the life of your best human friend, and your dog who was like a best friend, you would chose the human.

and this is what is wrong with the world

if that was the least of this world's problems, earth would be one giant garden of fucking eden.

[Dr. Badman]

Rory and Vile are just being idiots about it.

As much as I wanted to side with you, ssj, you're just sounding crazy now. Animals are lesser beings. That doesnt mean that they deserve lesser treatment, but they're not people either (and they kind of rip each other apart in the wild).

Not to mention all the blood stains on the upholstery.

...

I always manage to say the wrong thing. :(It's what everyone was thinking...

[Vile]

Why? It isn't as if I think the dog should've died if there was any other option- but from what April has said there wasn't. I don't see how that makes me an idiot. Enlighten me?

[MST3Kakalina]

Not to mention all the blood stains on the upholstery.

...

I always manage to say the wrong thing. :(
It's what everyone was thinking...


i know i sure was!


Vile: i think he means you're beating a dead horse.

[Awesome McManly]

but it's okay cause the horse is already dead, right?

[MST3Kakalina]

'course!

[Vile]

YAY-yuh :3

Speaking of horses, I have a story about elk!

It seems my aunty owns an elk velvet farm. I'm going to visit an elk ranch. For my birthday.

[Liz]

elk velvet? weird canadians.

[Rory Storm]

and this is what is wrong with the world, you all suck.

Oh my god. I see you point of view. No, really, I do. There are certain methods to go about doing such things as mercy killings. This is all of course if it is needed. I get it...I get it.

[Vile]

elk velvet? weird canadians.

We take it from the antlers and make things with it. Ho ho.


and RORY! HEEL.

[/dev/null]

I'm so sorry, Maniac.
I definitely can't say that I've ever been in a situation like that, but all the same, I don't think there was a better option.

My dog was diagnosed with bone cancer last September, and we had to wait about a month afterward to find out whether or not it was treatable. He got steadily worse because of the pain he was in, and even with medication it got to the point where he could barely walk.
We found out that by amputating his leg we could stop the spread completely, and we did, but only because we were almost positive that he had the sort of personality and drive that would allow him to live with only three legs. If we had thought otherwise, or had found out that amputating his leg would only extend his life by a few months, we definitely would have put him to sleep. After seeing the pain he was in as a result of the disease, and how completely miserable he was not being able to do the things that he loved, we decided that it would be unfair to make him live a bit longer just for our benefit. Watching him die slowly at home would have been infinitely more painful than having him die peacefully.

<small>But that's just me.</small>

[Mecha Wolf]

Well, I hate agreeing with SSJ on this since she's kind of being a bitch, but I do.
If you live THAT far from a vet, you should educate yourself at least a bit (not becoming a full blown doctor, no). If you live in a big city it's not as vital, really. Pets aren't toys, they're familiars or companions. If you can't handle the responsibility, get a fucking Aibo. ;)

Disclaimer: This is criticism towards ManiacTHP's dad, really, recognise the difference if you feel like flaming.

[ManiacTHP]

My dad should have known what to do. But the fact is that he didn’t and he chose to put my dog down. It’s done and over with, and no matter how much arguing goes on, it’s not going to bring my dog back.

Yes, animals are not disposable toys. They deserve to be treated fairly and given a good chance at life. That I agree with. However, if we did manage to get my dog to the vet, I think the vet would put him down too.

Weather it be by a gun or poison administered by a vet, mercy killing is all the same, no matter how I look at it.

By the way, my dad won’t let my get another dog.

[HOMERCHESTRA]

So SSJ, is it typical procedure to put anyone who disagrees with you on probation?

[implode]

you're on probation, rev?

[exemplary citizen]

Well that was uncalled for.

[implode]

he's not on probation, and i don't want to plow through the picker bushes to find out who is, so i'll just stay confused until further information is served up.

[Rory Storm]

I just hope he's not talking about me...my user title has confused quite a few....ya know, considering what I said and all.

[MST3Kakalina]

he's not on probation, and i don't want to plow through the picker bushes to find out who is, so i'll just stay confused until further information is served up.
he WAS. davey fixed it.


i agree. what the hell was that for, ssj?

[Forever Finite]

what? are you <I>surprised</i>?

[MST3Kakalina]

unless he did something particularly offensive that i missed? yes, i am.

[KLEIN]

It's SSJ. <i>SSJ</i>

The foul witch is notorious for her maligning of other, more decent members.

[Awesome McManly]

Reverend was being a little vicious in that debate

[Vile]

In that case why weren't Rory and I put on probation aswell?

[Forever Finite]

Reverend was being a little vicious in that debate
that doesn't rationalize a single thing.

she's rude, snappy, and an irresponsible administrator. why the hell has nobody talked to her about her behavior? we don't even tolerate it among our own mods.

[MST3Kakalina]

i agree, though not so vehemently. i get the impression that SSJ isn't as...patriotic? about this place as some of us are, but i'm still surprised she would put Rev on probation for what pretty much amounts to disagreeing with her. yeah, he was a little snappy, but he's ALWAYS a little snappy. he's Rev, that's what makes him awesome.

i also get the impression that SSJ is pretty chill. y'know, laid back, relaxed, apathetic, etc. i can't imagine her caring enough to put Rev on probation.

[Forever Finite]

how unfamiliar are you with the immature reactions she's had in the past? it's nothing new. and it needs to stop coming from a person in such a high position. not only does she make the administration look hypocritical (calling a guy retarded and banning him for name-calling), but she doesn't even associate with them at all. acting like the lone wolf joe cool doesn't do anybody a favor except herself.

[MST3Kakalina]

i guess pretty unfamiliar? all i remember about ssj is that she lives in NH and voted for Edwards.

is she even going to head back to this thread? i'd feel like an ass talking about her in the third person and then she posts a reply the next day.

from what i understand, she does a lot with fundraising? or something? managing things like the figurine contest. but still, she's almost never present on the board, and i think that comes with the role of being an admin. that i don't like at all.

[Forever Finite]

yes, i agree she's done a lot of things for the website and those are nice in themselves. however, i think they are kind of nullified by her blatantly unfriendly attitude toward everyone on the message board, including the staff.

[MST3Kakalina]

yeah, pretty much.


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well, now that THAT'S settled.


care for some tea?

[Forever Finite]

<I>scared</i>, koba? scared to talk about people in power?

REPENT! REPENT! THE END IS NIGH!

[KLEIN]

I do think that if SSJ is going to not be active on the board (Which I completely support), then there should be no reason for her to act as board administrator.

Leave the administration of the boards to the people running the boards.

[MST3Kakalina]

not scared. i see your points, and i agree with most of them. anything more would just set me up to feel like a douchebag.

[Davey Rootbeer]

hey. SSJ is the only one who really knows what they're doing in the CP. and she DOES contribute...well, EVERYTHING to the site. she runs the front page posts, has the contests, and does stuff with the non-board site.

having said this, i still don't think it's cool to screw with someone for having a different opinion than you. but if she's not an admin here, i think we're all pretty screwed should we get any board trouble.

[implode]

i don't think anyone is actually suggesting a coup on the empire. that would be about as hypocritical as it gets.

[Forever Finite]

well, my point was simply that <I>somebody</i>....whether it be tom or davey or some supermod... needs to talk with her about the way she treats board members. it simply does not work to have two disembodied facets of thought going into the same administrative actions that ultimately contradict eachother. there seems to be a tug-of-war in the CP now and then regarding a certain banning or probation that goes even outside of the usual inter-mod miscommunication. it feels aggressive and uncomfortable.

i'm not suggesting anything extreme. just a talk.

[implode]

well, after all this, i don't think you'll have to wait for a supermod to handle it.

[Forever Finite]

well, after all this, i don't think you'll have to wait for a supermod to handle it.
what does that mean?

[steffi]

I agree that she doesn't need to be handling board social affairs, and I don't see why she can't just take care of the technical aspect of it. but I also think you've been pretty aggressive lately, finny. not recentlylately, but lately. but then I get personally offended by small things. so hey. what's up, everybody?

[MST3Kakalina]

nostalgia! i remember that sig and avatar.


i thought you were like, in your 20s back then. i was so scared of you.

[steffi]

rawr!! haha. cory forced me into my cubic*cube...ness.

I want the cubic*cube t-shirt so bad. someone get it for me for my birthday. I'm an S.

[implode]

what does that mean? that we're talking about the issues in a thread that she'll almost certainly look at again. what else could it mean?

[Forever Finite]

I agree that she doesn't need to be handling board social affairs, and I don't see why she can't just take care of the technical aspect of it. but I also think you've been pretty aggressive lately, finny. not recentlylately, but lately. but then I get personally offended by small things. so hey. what's up, everybody?
i am quite sure koba (for example. not targetting you, ol' chap) comes off as far more aggressive than i do. "kick him while he's down"? no thanks, i'm not into that shit.

but, i'll admit that i feel like it requires more upfront confrontation than in the past to see things "go my way". meaning, i see way more of what, by my standards, needs to be confronted or else won't change. i didn't used to have so many problems with the happens involving this board because it was never this aggressive, itself.

that we're talking about the issues in a thread that she'll almost certainly look at again. what else could it mean?
well, sorry. i just wanted you to explain it. i didn't think that what i said was such a haughty expounditure in need of immediate disposal before the big bad wolf comes along to blow our house down.

[steffi]

yeah, aggressive probably wasn't the word I was looking for. I think I meant confrontational instead, but I understand what you're saying. I guess in turn I'm becoming more apathetic in some ways. or maybe I'm just tired. haha.

[Forever Finite]

you know what they say....when you settle down, you SETTLE DOWN. ho. ho. ho.

[steffi]

but when you RUN AROUND, you um... I'm not really going anywhere with this one.

<small>ix-nay on the t-shirt by the way. my mom just let me get it. :)</small>

[Awesome McManly]

that doesn't rationalize a single thing.

she's rude, snappy, and an irresponsible administrator. why the hell has nobody talked to her about her behavior? we don't even tolerate it among our own mods.

STFU!

why the hell has no one talked to YOU about your behavior?

I'm pretty drubnk right now, but I don't like that every one's picking on SSJ. I'm not even that close to her, but I feel like everyone's takeing her for granted and shit.

...

YEAH!

why are you so up in arms, finite?

[Forever Finite]

but..i already said that everything she...

nevermind. NEVERMIND FORGET IT EVERYBODY GO HOME.

[Dr. Badman]

No posting if you're above the blood alcohol limit of .05

I've seen an increase in your bitchyness too, JT. The whole board's getting angrier.

Rev: 'Least you didnt get banned based on a personal grudge. Happened to me twice.

[KLEIN]

Let's not confuse Don and ssj.

They're both inept board administrators in their own special ways.

[strawberry kiss]

......

Some vegan(sp?) in one of my classes sent me links to Peta's video called "Meet Your Meat". The other is called "Chew on This".

They're real uplifters.

[argonaut]

I like the finite what speaks her mind. I see nothing wrong with her behaviour. She backs up her statements, doesn't throw around insults, and is willing to listen to what the other side has to say. And since I've been in disagreement with her on recent board-issue-thingys, I feel it only fair that I post up and say I'm with her on this one. I think that, for being a relatively slight presence in the actual discussions, SSJ tends to swing the Big Admin Stick too liberally and in ways that are out of step with the other mods.

With the badman bannings at least there was something of a consensus. And badman's attacks were a lot nastier and more personally directed than reverend's. Either that or badman was in conflict with people I like and reverend wasn't, I dunno.

As for the other topic - maniac's dad made the best decision he could given the situation at hand. He had to weigh the dog's chances of surviving against prolonging its agony, and he made his choice. Not having been there, it's not for any of us to judge. And the only way being a vegan enters into it is if they were planning to eat the dog.

[Awesome McManly]

Hmmm... Not really. I find Reverend can come off as pretty fucken condescending in an argument. Fuck, mods have banned people for being rude before. It’s hypocritical to sit here and act innocent.

I was far too drunk to comprehend most of what was going on in this thread last night, but one thing remained clear. Finite, you sound like you're on a witch hunt.

Badman: I actually think I'm more laid back than I used to be. I used to ban people a lot more frequently, in shocking abuse of authority. I told you I didn't really wanna ban you, but I didn't have time to do anything else.

[Shaman King]

Eh, if SSJ abuses her power, there's nothing really you can do. Just unban people and whatever. She makes valuable contributions, so if she has a dark side as well, it's just something you have to put up with.

But she's still totally wrong about not euthanising the dog.

[implode]

well, sorry. i just wanted you to explain it. i didn't think that what i said was such a haughty expounditure in need of immediate disposal before the big bad wolf comes along to blow our house down. i... um... i don't think i did, either. all i said was that talking about it in public like this kind of negates the need to bring it up privately, as well. relax that neck fur, i'm not trying to argue against you here.

[Awesome McManly]

maybe we can just go back to having sex with pastries.

[MST3Kakalina]

Hmmm... Not really. I find Reverend can come off as pretty fucken condescending in an argument. Fuck, mods have banned people for being rude before. It’s hypocritical to sit here and act innocent.


i don't think he's condescending. he's caustic, but not all of the time, and usually in situations where i would react in a similar way. if it was that much of a problem, she should have asked him to stop before she put him on probation. it's simple.

and "being rude" is usually among a list of other offensives--spamming, ignoring mod requests, being an idiot, etc.


and maybe everyone was "picking on" ssj because she did something that was reprehensible? i apologize if that's how <i>i</i> come across in all of this, but i'm commenting on behaviour here, not character.

Finny's just been around more lately. maybe more "aggressive" or whatever the appropriate word is here, but i think a lot of it feels like that because she's just more vocal and around more than she's been for a little while. i don't think she's on a "witch hunt" at all.

[Davey Rootbeer]

I think it's just that time of the year where everyone's under stress of finals, pheromones, allergies, and painful, painful sunlight.

I'm feeling it too.

I predict a slow period of postings starting in june and lasting through early september.

[strawberry kiss]

I think it's just that time of the year where everyone's under stress of finals, pheromones, allergies, and painful, painful sunlight.

heh. this is the first year the sun actually bothers me. I can't stand the direct warmth on my skin. I wear sweatshirts outside to hide myself. It's fucking hot.

[Davey Rootbeer]

wear white, if possible. it refracts light waves or something, as opposed to darker colors, which tend to absorb them and make you even warmer.

[Dr. Badman]

I told you I didn't really wanna ban you, but I didn't have time to do anything else.Im not taking that personally (but I'll never let it go). Im just saying from a third person perspective that people are getting bitchier.

Besides, with the exception of Davey and Implode, the mod initiation seems to involve cramming a large pole up their anus.

[MST3Kakalina]

Besides, with the exception of Davey and Implode, the mod initiation seems to involve cramming a large pole up their anus.

:(

[steffi]

why don't you try saying something constructive instead of insulting for a change, badman?

[KLEIN]

Lay off, you two.

[steffi]

no, I mean it. it was directed towards mods anyway. plus what I said wasn't nasty or threatening or anything that would cause anyone by normal standards to say "lay off." I have the right to respond, thanks. and I'll take it. maybe I should just be more specific?

badman, if you have a problem with someone, talk to them directly and say exactly what you mean. or take it to the people you do trust to make good decisions (ie davey/implode) and ask them to talk to the people you have a problem with. insulting people just makes them sad/irritated and it doesn't really get you anywhere.

[ssjvaporeon]

So SSJ, is it typical procedure to put anyone who disagrees with you on probation?

I didn't read the whole thread, but I read this. I Didn't put you on probation. I put you on awaiting email confirmation because I am an ass, and I knew someone whold fix it anyway.

[HOMERCHESTRA]

No worries.

[Forever Finite]

I Didn't put you on probation. I put you on awaiting email confirmation because I am an ass, and I knew someone whold fix it anyway.
tee hee. that's pretty funny.

do e-mails from this site EVER make it past spam gaurds?

[Dr. Badman]

I had a response to Cat, but just as I hit "submit reply", it logged me out for *some reason.

*Conspirators

[MST3Kakalina]

no, i've been having the same problem of getting logged off after X number of minutes of non-posting.

help?

[Awesome McManly]

I have that problem at work.

I just thought this system was fucked.

[exemplary citizen]

do e-mails from this site EVER make it past spam gaurds?
They do! I got a birthday email this month.

[tater]

They do! I got a birthday email this month.
me too! and i still get email notification of PM's because i've been too lazy to change it from back when i was anxious to get Argo PM's and wanted to know rightthisveryminute.

yes, finite, there is a working email machine. or ... something. i dunno. trying to be funny, failing miserably. please ignore.

[tater]

Double posty! because i didn't think this fit with what i was saying before.

back ONTOPIC: heh.

I found out last night that my grandmother inherited a dog from my uncle. My uncle is the type of person that gets a dog, plays with it minimally, gets bored and either gets rid of it or ties it up outside and is mean to it until he finds something to do with it. This makes me very sad. It makes us all very sad, but he is a grown man and there really aren't any agencies to report him to out there that would give a shit. It's redneck territory and everything is run by giant white men that drive giant trucks and think they are the masters of the planet. I do not exxagerate.

Anyway, she inherited this dog, Draco (typical for my cousin to identify with the villian). It was a few days when the dog started to eat other animals. It went after a few goats, sheep, and notably ate two seperate litters of kittens. They did what has always been done with animals that go wild like that and shot him once in the head, killing him instantly and with little to no pain.

I have no problem with that. There are other animals and they can not be put in danger. I am curious as to what the animal rights people here have to say about this. What would you have done?

[argonaut]

Clearly this animal suffered from a lack of self esteem, fostered by its owner's inattentiveness and its lack of a more endearing name. Its attempts to eat the occasional goat has to be seen as a cry for attention. And the kitten-eating was just striking back at the cat(s) for being so derisive and cruel, as we all know cats can be. Draco can't possibly he considered responsible for his own actions, given such an environment.

I would have recommended immediately changing its name to 'Barkley", followed by four pronged approach to treatment, consisting of 1) Bi-weekly affirmation classes, in which the animal is given a cute little sweater to wear, and told repeatedly what a nice doggy he is, 2) assignment of a peer counsellor (collies are recommended), 3) weaning the dog onto squirrels, so that if he has to eat other animals it would at least be serving the common good, and 4) Zoloft.

[tater]

humph. you just be careful mr. sarcastic or next i'll offer to take the dog in and care for it. ;) brat.

[Vile]

Double posty! because i didn't think this fit with what i was saying before.

back ONTOPIC: heh.

I found out last night that my grandmother inherited a dog from my uncle. My uncle is the type of person that gets a dog, plays with it minimally, gets bored and either gets rid of it or ties it up outside and is mean to it until he finds something to do with it. This makes me very sad. It makes us all very sad, but he is a grown man and there really aren't any agencies to report him to out there that would give a shit. It's redneck territory and everything is run by giant white men that drive giant trucks and think they are the masters of the planet. I do not exxagerate.

Anyway, she inherited this dog, Draco (typical for my cousin to identify with the villian). It was a few days when the dog started to eat other animals. It went after a few goats, sheep, and notably ate two seperate litters of kittens. They did what has always been done with animals that go wild like that and shot him once in the head, killing him instantly and with little to no pain.

I have no problem with that. There are other animals and they can not be put in danger. I am curious as to what the animal rights people here have to say about this. What would you have done?

Yeah. I agree.
Humans do it to each other, after all.

[tater]

well, i don't know that people shoot each other in the head to keep them from killing. we DO have prisons, but DOG prisons?

i was just wondering what someone like ssj or any of the other animal people would have reccomended. it seems to me that killing the dog would not be in line with previous viewpoints, but i could not, honestly, see a reasonable alternative.

maybe it's just my definition of reasonable?

[Vile]

well, i don't know that people shoot each other in the head to keep them from killing. we DO have prisons, but DOG prisons?

i was just wondering what someone like ssj or any of the other animal people would have reccomended. it seems to me that killing the dog would not be in line with previous viewpoints, but i could not, honestly, see a reasonable alternative.

maybe it's just my definition of reasonable?
<img src="http://www.lindberghkidnappinghoax.com/chair.jpg">

old sparky, hey.

Zap.

[Rory Storm]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/RoryStorm/69.jpg

Zap.

[HOMERCHESTRA]

We're going into a throwdown.


Same place.









Same time.

[Ndoki]

<img src="http://www.lindberghkidnappinghoax.com/chair.jpg">

old sparky, hey.

Zap.

Ha ha ha, as subtle as a brick to the head. I love it.

[Stuart Tusspot]

aren't dogs who are brought, up as ferral dogs (i think that's how you spell it) normaly put down?

[Vile]

ferral means "wild"- so sometimes, yeah, but if they're friendly towards humans they can be ok to adopt. I've seen it before, but the owners had a few other dogs so they could establish a pack and feel safe.