I have returned, and I bring news!

[Domo]

Airport security has reached a new level of intrusiveness, according to a usatoday.com article.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2005-05-15-airport-xray-bottomstrip_x.htm


So basically the ACLU (AKA the Meddlers Association Of America) got their panties all tangled up over this and they're probably going to sue. But like I Like Corn said to me, he doesn't mind if it means taking a gun or a bomb away from somebody dangerous. So....discus. And discuss, also.

[exemplary citizen]

Mmm, I mind a lot of the stuff they're talking about there, mostly because the VAST majority of people going through that thing aren't weapon-toting extremists, and that really is kind of infringing on some human dignity issues, I think. I mean, what's next, the ole' rubber glove reach-around? Come on. And I'd argue that the measures we already have in place have been, well, 100% effective in making sure terrorism doesn't occur in airports any more, so why the hell do we need to be additionally looking at people's naughty bits? Not only do we need to have our baggage x-rayed, searched and swabbed for petroleum distillates, pass through the metal detector and the manual pat-down, AND take our damn shoes off, but NOW we have to get nekkid for the screeners. No thanks, but I think I'll be boycotting air travel the day that happens.

Yes, there's a very, VERY slight chance it would help take a gun or a bomb away from somebody that was somehow missed with all the other measures they already have in place (again, has an airlpane been hijacked or blown up since they started ramping up security? no.). But what it does ensure is that the millions of other law-abiding people that just want to go home and visit Gramma have to give up yet another slice of their dignity for a miniscule sliver of security and false peace of mind. <i>I</i> think it's ridiculous.

[MST3Kakalina]

don't be hating on the ACLU. i :<3: my civil liberties.


and i don't like it either. we have PLENTY of air security measures in place already that are pretty good at deterring terrorism. (of course, before 9/11, how often were planes hijacked, anyway?) i don't want someone looking at my nekkid body. there's absolutely no need.

the whole xenophobic climate over here is fuckin' disturbing. how am i supposed to bring Mecha to meet my parents if he's afraid of getting arrested? being foreign is one strike against him. how's he supposed to explain that his sometimes wacky behaviour--like watching the security cameras move back and forth--isn't a threat, just a part of his personality?

great, i bet they have this at Newark, too, since it's a pretty big airport. yeesh.

[tater]

well now if these machines were going to be used responsibly and on those who do NOT pass other security measures, then i'd say fine. i was not offended when my lack of state I.D. led to a minor search at the San Antonio airport.

however, the abuses that are possible ... if these machines are allowed, our governing body had better be prepared to keep them under tight control. my problem is that such controls are rarely, if ever, enforced. what are our assurances that these things won't be misused?

[töm]

i don't really like the sounds (or sights! ick) of this machine. if it is introduced, however, i think that a lot more people will be entering the airport security sector. yeeowza!

both the ACLU and the people who want to take away one's rights are pretty bad in my estimation. it's one of those two evils things. those suck.

[HOMERCHESTRA]

"Any country that is willing to sacrifice a little freedom for a little security deserves neither freedom nor security."

[poonchy's bro]

Bahhhh, this is why I hate flying. Not the heights ot terrorists or the people fucking in the small as hell bathrooms, but the anal security.

I'm sure Seinfeld would've done another great airport episode like this if it were still around *get season 4!*

[Chakan]

how's he supposed to explain that his sometimes wacky behaviour--like watching the security cameras move back and forth--isn't a threat, just a part of his personality?
Hey, I do the same thing sometimes! I even wave at the cameras, just for fun. I thought I might as well give the camera technician something interesting to look at when he goes to check the videos.

And, as for the Government Sponsored Peep-o-matic, there is no way in Hell I'm letting that thing see my manhood. Maybe my butt, but anything else is going too far. I'm sure I'd piss off quite a few security personal if I crossed my legs or put my hands in front of my naughty bits when they go to check me, but you know what? My privacy is more important to me than being a suspected "terrorist", whatever the hell that means anymore. It's just a catch all term for "anyone-who-doesn't-like-Bush".

[Corn 2.0]

Eh, as Domo said that I said, if it stops someone, I don't care if some security sees my wee-wee for 5 seconds along with everybody else's who happened to pass through that machine. Besides, the images are low-quality because they're meant to spot dangerous weaponry, not work as the security guard's porn.

[MST3Kakalina]

"Any country that is willing to sacrifice a little freedom for a little security deserves neither freedom nor security."
god, Ben Franklin is rolling over in his grave right now.


god dammit. god....god dammit.


i am so disillusioned with this country.

[Chakan]

Besides, the images are low-quality because they're meant to spot dangerous weaponry, not work as the security guard's porn.
It doesn't take high-quality imagery to get off, trust me. Even vague or suggestive imagery is enough for most people. And still, it's the principle of the thing. I don't care if it blurs out my testicles, I'm not letting just any random person see my body without my permission!

I find it ironic that this country is so obsessed with seeing us naked, patting us down and taking away the average citizen's rights rather than actually improving the quality of our planes and making THEM safer, as well as making the flight more enjoyable. I mean, airport security is important, but not to the point where everybody is treated like a second hand citizen. It's an airport, not a prison. I'd rather stay at home than feel like a criminal or some boogey man terrorist that Uncle Sam fears.

[exemplary citizen]

It doesn't take high-quality imagery to get off, trust me. Even vague or suggestive imagery is enough for most people.
Exactly. Just ask any fourteen year old who's sat up late at night watching the fuzzed-out adult cable channels, hand expectantly shoved in their pants, just waiting for a sudden flash of nipple or a split second of audio to break through the darkness.

[Domo]

Now that I think about it, if I was Horny Airport Security Gaurd #5306.805 I'd want to run the scanner to. Hmm. Maybe it is an invasion of privacy? An EROTIC invasion of privacy?

[MST3Kakalina]

see, the problem with me isn't one of wankage (because i doubt any horny security guard would want to beat his meat to my fat rolls), but just general ickiness. i don't LIKE people looking at me already; them seeing me naked is unsettling to me because i'm unpleasant to look at naked (unless you have a nice thick pair of <s>beer</s> love goggles on), and because i'd be afraid of jokes, criticism, etc going on later. maybe i'm an awful human being, but at my job, when we get customers that are especially wacky/unusual/etc, we talk about them afterwards. i can imagine that being the same for airport security personnel or grocery store clerks or whatever as well.

[Chakan]

It could also be possible for security guards to abuse the power, not only by seeing anyone they want naked such as some random passenger they find attractive, a fairly obvious misuse, but also by "leaking" security images to the internet. I mean, I can see a scornful guard(perhaps s/he found unflattering images of her/his former lover in the security net?) or some sick wacko releasing images like that for their own gain. Or what if a hacker gets into the system and releases the images stored on the machine to the 'net, assuming the system is even hooked up to the internet? I could easily see weird underground rings forming from a misuse of this technology. Imagine a porn site with images taken from a compromised machine titled "The Ultimate Voyeur 'Zine!" or something like that. The misuse of such a technology is staggering. All in the name of security, they tell us.

[Forever Finite]

see, the problem is that you are all neglecting to see this situation as a welcome mat for possibilities. just think of all the fun surprises you could have waiting beneath your garments for the supervising technician.

[töm]

like.... a gun?


oh, quick story. my grandfather is going in for surgery this week, and it seems that in the preliminary X-rays, they found a bullet lodged in his abdomen. <i>who would've known?</i>

[exemplary citizen]

Something like that happenned to my uncle recently; they found this dark spot in one of his chest x-rays that they thought might be a tumor, but it turns out it was just scar tissue from his left nipple casting a shadow.

I don't want to know how his nipple got that way.


Anyhow, if they were to implement these backscatter machines, I'd probably take the opportunity to make some undergarments entirely out of U.S. mint coinage.

alternatively, you could also use a little judicious gluing of tinfoil to your body to spell out things like "don't look down", "what would jesus do", or "I have a bomb".

[Forever Finite]

ami's got it. she knows where it's at.

[implode]

any criminal willing to tape a plastic weapon to himself in an attempt to subvert airport security will surely be just as willing to hide that weapon a little deeper.

[Forever Finite]

this will spawn a new line of organic weapons made from the livers and bellies of little dead orphans.

[implode]

i need to research how many criminals have actually successfully taped weapons to themselves and commendeered a plane with them. because if 9/11 is the only instance that brought this technology into light, wouldn't it be just as reasonable to just roll anybody of arabian descent that happens to be in line?

eh. whatever. getting everyone pissed off has yet to prove itself as an effective tactic in keeping everyone safe, but i don't mind giving it a shot.

[exemplary citizen]

this will spawn a new line of organic weapons made from the livers and bellies of little dead orphans.
Actually, that's really funny you should mention that because <a href=http://www.metrokitchen.com/kyocera/>ceramic knives</a> are already all the rage with the hot young chefs.

Silly Finite. Everybody knows you can make a better blade with the shards of broken dreams.

[implode]

oh man. you went and did it. since it doesn't matter anymore, anyway: COCAINE SHIPMENT TERRORIST DIRTY BOMB AMERICAN SOIL.

[exemplary citizen]

I DID NOT VOTE FOR THE CURRENT PRESIDENT IN OFFICE. I DISAGREE WITH THIS COUNTRY'S FOREIGN POLICY.



If we keep this up, we'll be banned in the U.S. <i>and</i> China.

[implode]

I DID NOT VOTE FOR THE CURRENT PRESIDENT IN OFFICE. I DISAGREE WITH THIS COUNTRY'S FOREIGN POLICY.



If we keep this up, we'll be banned in the U.S. <i>and</i> China. hell with it, i might as well get myself arrested in the process.

<b>LAST EDITED BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT. DON'T FUCK AROUND, KIDS.</B>

as it turns out, this probably wasn't even the most unfavorable step of my unique voting process.

[exemplary citizen]

... "concerned"? Is that a party affiliation?

[Lord Koopa]

... "concerned"? Is that a party affiliation?

Didn't you see their nominee last year? He was pretty cool.

[implode]

it's <i>every</i> party's affiliation. but yeah, i guess so. they have a senator listed, so i guess they're persuing the american dream of being laughed out of the democratic process.

[exemplary citizen]

it's <i>every</i> party's affiliation. but yeah, i guess so. they have a senator listed, so i guess they're persuing the american dream of being laughed out of the democratic process.
Well hot damn. Apparently the people who sit around and write angry letters to their congressman actually formed a party. I want in on that.

[MST3Kakalina]

alternatively, you could also use a little judicious gluing of tinfoil to your body to spell out things like "don't look down", "what would jesus do", or "I have a bomb".


tinfoil underwear! it'll be the next big thing.

[exemplary citizen]

I think I've decided on a slogan; "your mother knows you touch yourself" emblazoned in sequins on a tasteful undershirt.

[MST3Kakalina]

or how about "...because you touch yourself at night!" ? that's our favourite phase at anime club.

[exemplary citizen]

Anything to do with masturbation is pretty much instant comedy gold.

[MST3Kakalina]

yeah, pretty much.

[lepat silec]

About this X-Ray thing...I doubt it won't be long before people sell photos of random people on the internet. It will be more of a public porn thing. a 24/7 live feed. Nice I say.

[Sayna]

I'll just sum up my opinion with quotes 'cause I have to go soon:

don't be hating on the ACLU. i :<3: my civil liberties.


and i don't like it either. we have PLENTY of air security measures in place already that are pretty good at deterring terrorism. (of course, before 9/11, how often were planes hijacked, anyway?) i don't want someone looking at my nekkid body. there's absolutely no need.

the whole xenophobic climate over here is fuckin' disturbing. how am i supposed to bring Mecha to meet my parents if he's afraid of getting arrested? being foreign is one strike against him. how's he supposed to explain that his sometimes wacky behaviour--like watching the security cameras move back and forth--isn't a threat, just a part of his personality?

great, i bet they have this at Newark, too, since it's a pretty big airport. yeesh.

"Any country that is willing to sacrifice a little freedom for a little security deserves neither freedom nor security."

[Forever Finite]

i swear, if airports start using body x-ray machines, i am going to turn "shaving" into "extended creativity arts and crafts time".

[MST3Kakalina]

would hair be enough to make designs on the X-ray image, though?

[Erinnish]

It's not that big of a deal. Everyone is naked underneath their clothes. Nudity does not always correspond with sexuality. It shouldn't, anyway. So what if a security guard sees your "private" parts? Everyone has them, so they really aren't that private in the first place. <small>This coming from someone who has had her "parts" thoroughly examined many times by both genders and so is used to it now.</small>

[Erinnish]

So? You won't be seeing those security guards ever again for them to point and laugh at you, anyway (and I doubt they care). Besides, they would probably only do the X-Ray on people who they believe to have a concealed weapon. Which counts out most people.

I mean, it is kind of infringing on people's privacy rights, but you go to the doctor to get your stuff checked out, and this isn't even as invasive as that.

[Liz]

It would bother me a lot. I don't know why. Why not just go to the airport naked?

I'm serious, I would protest by going to the airport naked with a sign that says "here, I'll make it easy"

[Erinnish]

If you would go to the airport naked to protest, why not just go through the stupid X-Ray?

Just don't take a weapon with you to the airport. Simple as that.

[implode]

you're missing the point. the point is that ethel muldoon, age 87, will have to walk through a goddamned x-ray machine before she can visit her nieces in philadelphia. they won't only do the x-ray on people they suspect, because we refuse to accept racial profiling as a reasonable means of airport security for the sake of being political correct. therefore, we have to suspect EVERYONE. this machine was designed so we don't need to even bother with suspecting, anymore - we'll just KNOW.

[exemplary citizen]

you're missing the point. the point is that ethel muldoon, age 87, will have to walk through a goddamned x-ray machine before she can visit her nieces in philadelphia. they won't only do the x-ray on people they suspect, because we refuse to accept racial profiling as a reasonable means of airport security for the sake of being political correct. therefore, we have to suspect EVERYONE. this machine was designed so we don't need to even bother with suspecting, anymore - we'll just KNOW.

YES. Thank you.

And as far as that whole "we have our bits looked at by doctors, why is this such a big deal" argument, it's that doctors have to sign documents stating that anything they find on/in/around/growing on your bits is to be kept in the strictest confidence. I highly doubt they're going to make every Joe Blow airport screener sign a confidentiality agreement that keeps him from broadcasting reports of that enormous boil on your ass to the assembled patrons down at the bar.

[Erinnish]

Why can't they just make the people who didn't pass the metal detector test go through the X-Ray and only those people alone?

You make a good point, though. If they don't have a confidentiality rule for this, then I don't think it's okay either. I still don't think nudity is a big deal, though.

[implode]

that's a ridiculous amount of money to spend for something like that, though. we could have saved millions of dollars by implementing a "get naked" policy for anyone who fails the metal detector test.

it was actually my understanding that this would REPLACE the metal detector test, though, so i suppose that would be a less ridiculous solution.

EDIT: and this is why: Security consultant Douglas Laird says the machines are essential to spot explosives, which aren't detected by metal detectors. ba-da-bing, ethel muldoon, naked on the internet.

[exemplary citizen]

Yeah, if I read correctly, they're thinking about making this mandatory for everyone, not just the 80 year olds under suspicion of having a gun crammed up their ass.

[implode]

my edit confirms it: "ethel" will become interchangeable with "bangbus."

[exemplary citizen]

Ah, the joys of liberty.

[Erinnish]

It just seems like you guys are making it into this big OMG PEOPLE WANT TO SEE MY BITS. Like you think there's no doubt people will get naked X-Ray photos from this and put them on the internet, but it hasn't even happened yet, nor do you even know for sure it WILL happen.

I'm just saying that if it works out fine, is confidential, and has the potential to save lives, then I'm not worried.

[Young Jeff Bridges]

this is bad news, i don't like it.
& i was okay with flying before :[

[implode]

no, i think it's funny to draw comparisons of being naked on the internet to airport security. that has nothing to do with it. in fact, if it happened to me, the only thing i'd be upset about is not getting any royalties from it.

I'm just saying that if it works out fine, is confidential, and has the potential to save lives, then I'm not worried. well, i think we could ALL agree to that, but you can't tell me that you don't recognize the almost 100% possibility that the machine will be misused somehow.

[Erinnish]

I know. It does seem rather excessive. I mean, I thought what we had already worked fine.

[töm]

i didn't really think it would be misused before i formulated my opinion on it. i think it's just improper based on principal. its misuse is its use. it won't make things better, and i think it is a dignity-stealing experience for whomever goes through it.

and i thought we were finished with this problem when we invented clothes in the 1980s. sheesh. and what about my aunt ethel? she wears a burka everywhere she goes. isn't it her personal liberty not for anyone to see her face, much less her neck and other erogenous areas?

[Awesome McManly]

mmmm.... elbow flaps...

[implode]

i didn't really think it would be misused before i formulated my opinion on it. i think it's just improper based on principal. its misuse is its use. it won't make things better, and i think it is a dignity-stealing experience for whomever goes through it. actually, i got rid of the line "we should never sacrifice being morally correct for being politically correct" from my second post (in the thread - right after the comment about stuffing your weapons in your ass), but replaced it with that line about getting people pissed off for the sake of keeping them safe, because i couldn't get the words phrased smoothly (as you can surely see) which kind of reminded me of this. but erin added "and has the potential to save lives" into her argument, so i had to agree with it. i <i>suppose</i> it has the potential to save lives, on a microscopically small scale, in the division of criminals that would try to walk through an x-ray machine with a knife taped to themselves. certainly the ones <i>i'm</i> worried about.

[töm]

The $100,000 machines bounce low-radiation X-rays off a person's skin to produce photo-like computer images of metal, plastic and organic materials hidden under clothes, says American Science and Engineering.well. <i>hey</i>... why can't it produce computer images of metal and plastic objects, and <i>not</i> organic materials?

problem solv&egrave;d.

[~V+]

someone sum this up for me since im illiterate.

[Vile]

The airports can see you naked now.

[Sayna]

It's not that big of a deal. Everyone is naked underneath their clothes. Nudity does not always correspond with sexuality. It shouldn't, anyway. So what if a security guard sees your "private" parts? Everyone has them, so they really aren't that private in the first place. <small>This coming from someone who has had her "parts" thoroughly examined many times by both genders and so is used to it now.</small>


Well, that sucks for you, but I don't want to be looked at without my permission unless it's for a good reason.

[Sayna]

well. <i>hey</i>... why can't it produce computer images of metal and plastic objects, and <i>not</i> organic materials?

problem solv&egrave;d.


But what about tampons? Oh wait... only the applicator is plastic. Nevermind.

What about, uh....

No, that IS a good solution.

[Erinnish]

Well, that sucks for you, but I don't want to be looked at without my permission unless it's for a good reason.

What sucks for me? I missed what the hell you are talking about.

Also, it IS for a good reason. But you know, WHATEVER. Let's just all rebel against security precautions that keep Americans safe. We are after all, oppressed Americans.

SO, everyone should isolate me and tell me I don't get the POINT. But I understand the POINT. I know it's probably not the best fucking idea for security in an airport. All I said is that nudity isn't really a big deal. I didn't say the X-Ray was the best thing ever, just that you guys were making a big deal out of nudity. It's a small price to pay to keep people safe. <small>But if it were up to me, I'd only make the people who didn't pass the metal detector go through the X-Ray. Although I thought what we did already was fine.</small>

[reef]

i don't know abotu you guys but i for one would love to see the shocked look on the faces of the security guards as they gaze upon my monstrous member

i would look at them

and smile

[MST3Kakalina]

What sucks for me? I missed what the hell you are talking about. i think she meant the bit about having your parts thoroughly examined.

jus' sayin'.

anyone object if i move this to ontopic?

[Rory Storm]

His <s>cock</s>...It's huge.

Crowd goes "wow."

People get on the plane strangly satisfied.


EDIT: Koba, no, I don't mind :o

EDIT AGAIN: Ontopic, ERINNISH...

Uh, yeah, I mean I think it's bad and all that they are making people naked and stuff, but, BUT, if you have nothing to hide, why worry? They are doing it for safety, no for pleasure.

Sorry.

[Erinnish]

No, now you can't move it because Mr. Comedy here said cock. There should be none of that in On-Topic!

i think she meant the bit about having your parts thoroughly examined.

Okay, but... still, how does that suck for me?

[Erinnish]

You spelled my screen name wrong, fucktard.

[exemplary citizen]

Hey hey hey. We're in ONtopic now. We'll have none of that pottymouth here.

[reef]

oh great now i look like an ass

oh well i guess i am used to it

i will be on my merry way now

[Erinnish]

Hey hey hey. We're in ONtopic now. We'll have none of that pottymouth here.

Hahaha. Yes ma'am.

[MST3Kakalina]

No, now you can't move it because Mr. Comedy here said cock. There should be none of that in On-Topic!



Okay, but... still, how does that suck for me?


because i imagine having your naughty bits investigated by people isn't usually a pleasant experience?

[Erinnish]

True. It hurt. But not only did I give permission for the doctors to check me out, but in the long run, it was to my benefit and my health. Which is good. So it didn't "suck for me."

[MST3Kakalina]

i've only had my naughty bits examined once.


it hurt like fuck and they didn't even get anything out of it. fucking hymen.

[Rory Storm]

With me it's turn your head and cough twice a year. Heh, women and their holes. :robot:

[Chakan]

Alright folks, lets calm down a little and stop over reacting to the news. I understand that I was rather alarmist at the beginning of this thread, but I've had time to cool down and really think about this.

Okay, so we know that the government is testing machines that produces a rather revealing image of how people look under their clothes for security purposes. However, although we know how the machine functions and some of its purpose, we don't know its real application yet. Although I abhor the idea of a stranger being able to see an intimate view of my body without my permission, not because I am ashamed of my body but simply for privacy concerns and potential misuses of the technology, we really won't know yet whether or not they will have to use this on everybody. I'm thinking it is going to be a last resort if you fail the metal detector and any other test, especially since I'm sure the security personal wouldn't want to see everyone naked for various reasons - including how time consuming the process might be -, and also since I would suspect some people would seriously object to that sort of invasive procedure. Let's also not forget that it might be considered sexual harassment to the person being viewed and to a sensative security officer put into such a position without their consent or approval.

Also, can we please stop singling Erinnish out? I know her opinion isn't similar to some of the opinions in this thread, including mine, but that doesn't mean we should disrespect her or be untolerating of her opinion. Some of the comments and reactions to her posts have been very rude, and it upsets me seeing moose personal, even those I respect, be so "callous" to her at times. I understand why she doesn't find this too large of a deal like everyone else. In the end, everybody is naked under their clothes, why be ashamed of that? I agree with that sort of sentiment, even if I disagree with the violation of privacy a backscanner machine might cause. Now let us stop the turmoil, please, and act civilized and respect each other, regardless of how we see the situation.

[MST3Kakalina]

i...don't really see anyone singling out Erinnish. only Sayna and plode responded to her posts, and they weren't rude about it. i guess Sayna "sucks for you comment" could be interpreted as such, but i really don't think she would mean it like that.

[exemplary citizen]

Also, can we please stop singling Erinnish out? I know her opinion isn't similar to some of the opinions in this thread, including mine, but that doesn't mean we should disrespect her or be untolerating of her opinion. Some of the comments and reactions to her posts have been very rude, and it upsets me seeing moose personal, even those I respect, be so "callous" to her at times.
Yeah, I'm totally not seeing that either. Did Koba and I miss something in particular that offended her? Because all I'm seeing here is regularly toned discussion.

[Erinnish]

I like how Iodine ALWAYS jumps in with a joke and the discussion stops.

Anyway... I don't really care about this. Everything is FINE. Also, I've been agreeing with you guys the whole time, you just didn't notice it because I wasn't freaking out like most people. I never said the X-Ray is the best thing evah, just that nudity isn't a big deal. I mean, TATER said the same thing I said pretty much:

well now if these machines were going to be used responsibly and on those who do NOT pass other security measures, then i'd say fine.

[MST3Kakalina]

yeah. i guess that's...acceptable? but like t&ouml;m said, i find it disturbing just on <i>principle.</i>

but. whatever. groovy. how you doin', Erin?

[töm]

as for the "if i don't have a plastique stapled to my crotch, I have nothing to worry about," thing. well, i agree with that when it comes to searching someone's bag, maybe. and their house MAYBE. but this is a very different thing.

as far as implementation is concerned. i don't think that they could use these machines without one's knowledge and consent. they can't just do it and not tell anyone. and i think a number of people would begin to have reservations about walking through that threshold...With me it's turn your head and cough twice a year.<i>twice</i> a year?

your physician must be a happy, happy man.

[exemplary citizen]

Yeah, and Rory's what, like, seventeen?

Sweet jesus. I'd be wary of letting that particular doctor touch your bits ever again.

[Erinnish]

Oh, obviously it's because the doctor is a pervert. Oh ho ho. There can't possibly be any other reason!

If you want to talk about perverted doctors, the male doctor that examined me stroked my inner thigh briefly. Although I don't think he meant anything by it.

as far as implementation is concerned. i don't think that they could use these machines without one's knowledge and consent. they can't just do it and not tell anyone. and i think a number of people would begin to have reservations about walking through that threshold...

I'm sure they will tell people about it. But I highly doubt this will be around for long. Too many people will have reservations about it and it'll cause more problems than it's trying to fix.

[exemplary citizen]

Oh, obviously it's because the doctor is a pervert. Oh ho ho. There can't possibly be any other reason!

Nooo, it's because testicular exams twice a year for a seventeen year old are really uncommon unless he's previously had something amiss in that area.

Geez, what's the matter? :(

[MST3Kakalina]

i would die if a man had to inspect my girly bits carefully. god knows the pediatrician looking down my pants and pressing down on my stomach was awful enough.

i can't imagine it being something that would be used OFTEN. i mean, you have to get those lead aprons at the doctor's to save your babymakin' parts; you are going to KNOW if they're using the X-Ray machine on you.

either that, or we'll suddenly have generations of sterile businessmen and jet setters.

[exemplary citizen]

Maybe it's for the best.

[Erinnish]

Nooo, it's because testicular exams twice a year for a seventeen year old are really uncommon unless he's previously had something amiss in that area.

Geez, what's the matter? :(

I dunno. I just suddenly felt bad for Rory's doctor, for people here that don't even know him accusing him of being perverted. Although I know ya'll were just JOKING.

I'm not sure how things work exactly, but... maybe Rory does sports? Does that require more physicals?

i would die if a man had to inspect my girly bits carefully. god knows the pediatrician looking down my pants and pressing down on my stomach was awful enough.

It's not THAT bad. For me, it was worse than it could have been because he had a bad attitude at first (I think he was having a bad day).

[töm]

it's usually part of a once-a-year physical. that pretty much covers you.

though there must be a different way to check for hernia. :\

[Domo]

I'm not naked under my clothes. I'm wearing multiple layers of SEXAY.

[Sayna]

I'm not naked under my clothes. I'm wearing multiple layers of SEXAY.


And several more layers of it OVER your clothes.