"oh no, you said the 'r' word!"

[MST3Kakalina]

http://www.livejournal.com/community/metaquotes/3257413.html

i think this is fucking bullshit. yes, rape and sexual abuse are bad things. for those of you who don't want to click the link (or who might not be able to see it, maybe), it was a post on behalf of female gamers addressing male gamers about their uses of words like "rape" and "violated" in the gaming world, and how they're evil for tossing around such strong "trigger words."

(funny how the post COMPLETELY DISREGARDS the fact that men can get raped and abused too. and they do. sometimes by--and i know this is a shocker--WOMEN! but that's kind of tangential.)

but to get this uptight about people's word choice in a GAME. wtf?

OH TEH NOES I SHOULDN'T HAVE USED THE WORD "UPTIGHT" BECAUSE IT MIGHT OFFEND SURVIVORS OF ANAL RAPE.

guess what sweetie? in the real world, people will say things that will OFFEND YOU. imagine that. it was terrible that you were taken advantage of in such a manner, but that doesn't mean the world is going to stop and become all sunshine, lollipops and rainbows for you from now on. grow a pair and move on with your life. THAT'S RIGHT I TOLD YOU TO GROW A PAIR, I'M A HORRIBLE PERSON FOR MENTIONING THE MALE GENITALIA IN FRONT OF YOU.


anyway, what do you guys think about this? this is something i've seen crop up in "feminism" communities. (i used the term "feminism" as loosely as possible, because they're mostly the kind of shrieking harpy that just needs a good lay.) any of you self-proclaimed and non-retarded feminists out there agree? disagree?

[Vile]

Disagree on the terms that I laughed obnoxiously at your "uptight" joke.

Feminists are fine, but feminazis are fierce. I don't even see what this really has to DO with feminism because this doesn't subtract from our rights in any form that I can see, and as you said- men can get raped too.

[THE CHEEZE]

Yeah and games also seem to be a reflection of our pop culure. I guess it's the word rape being passed around so much that is causing it to emerge in games. It seems our culture is so fascinated by it now with shows like "Law and Order" and specificaly "Special Victims Unit" which is almost completely about rape/rape murders. So naturaly the word and such are put into games. I think these "extreme" feminsists should stop watching their and "SVU" if they don't want to hear the word rape.

[exemplary citizen]

Reposting what I said in response in LJ, just because I thought it was a pretty choice rant:

Oh, fucking come on. People can't possibly be this ass-tight and say that kind of thing with a straight face.

We're being raped by the "let's never potentially offend anybody, ever" facet of society. Each and every one of us, taking it right up the tender, submisive ass. That's right. I said it. And if you can't grow a fucking spine and deal with it without having to be coddled and shielded every minute of your tender little lives, then eat a dick, you sanctimonious biddies.

Sincerely,

a female gamer who has also been the victim of sexual abuse and yet manages to retain a FUCKING GRIP ON MY PRIORITIES.


P.S. Additionally, we'd all better take a cue and stop using the word "OWNED" to denote victory of any kind. Might accidentally some African Americans.

Godammit, where's that jerking off smiley when you need him?

"One in three", my achin' ass. Inflate statistics much? OH TEH NOES, I AM SO PERSECUTED BECAUSE I OWN A VAGINA. Get the fuck over the victim attitude.

[argonaut]

Koba, Ami - I continue to be supremely entertained with the manner in which you express your opinions. 'shrieking harpy'. heh.

That said - I am one of the small minority in the moosey community what objects to the term 'rape' when used as a euphemism for sexual gameplay. I've said so a couple of times, both in posts and PM's. Not to the point where I'm going to have a hissy fit, or anything. You know me. But I find it abrasive nonetheless.

My problem with it has nothing to do with misogeny or other gender issues. It's that rape is an awful, violent crime, more invasive to a person than being robbed or mugged. And sex, well, isn't. Mixing the terms lends (IMO) credence to the idea that rape is just another form of sex. Take, for example, some of the Japanese Hentai, where the concept of forced sex is used as entertainment. It's a dangerous concept to be introducing to tender submissive minds.

That said, I don't have a huge problem with 'rape' being used as a euphemism for violently, invasively bending someone to your will as some kind of power trip. As long as you keep it in the context where it belongs, then yes it can be an effective term for describing the overall effect of, say, being completely dominated by another gamer.

Words are powerful things. Twisting of words into other meanings to suit the goals of those doing the twisting should be resisted at avery turn. One needn't look to far to see terms like 'pro life' and 'Patriot Act' bending the words to mean something else. 'Rape' and 'sex', even rough sex, are two very different things. I prefer that the meanings remain intact.

[Rory Storm]

I was playing a game on my PSP, Need For Speed, and then I lost. I promptly said, "OH MAN I JUST GOT RAPED!" and my parents asked what game I was playing...I said a racing game, and showed them...But yeah, it was awkward. I think it's more of a reaction than anything. I mean it happens all the time at school. Some guy walks up to another guy, he punches him in the arm, the guy screams RAPE! and it's a joke. Now in that sense, it can be funny. For the moment. But in real life, rape is NOT funny.

[MST3Kakalina]

My problem with it has nothing to do with misogeny or other gender issues. It's that rape is an awful, violent crime, more invasive to a person than being robbed or mugged. And sex, well, isn't. Mixing the terms lends (IMO) credence to the idea that rape is just another form of sex. Take, for example, some of the Japanese Hentai, where the concept of forced sex is used as entertainment. It's a dangerous concept to be introducing to tender submissive minds.



really quickly, because i'm somewhat busy.


i don't think mixing the terms in that manner makes rape any less of a serious thing. for every time a gamer says, "oh man, that game totally raped me" we still have phrases like "raping Mother Earth" and "the rape of Nanking" that drive home the idea of rape as an invasive, awful thing. i don't mean to downplay the importance of words and semantics--though i imagine you know that already, but still--but there's a very strong, obvious reason why we have the word "sex" and why we have the word "rape," and even if i haven't been the victim of a rape myself, i can understand what an...invasive, horrible thing it would be. (say good-bye to <s>holly</s>hymenwood, yes.)

[töm]

hi.

while i think making a big fuss over the semantics of morons (i.e.: well. we know who we're talking about here... nevermind.) is a bit silly, i don't particularly enjoy the word "rape" in any context. it doesn't bring to mind pleasant things, much less mild or even comedic things. if you're upset about some guy calling another guy a "faggot" because he can't open a soda can with his teeth, it's the same thing, really. they're words that wound the ears (at least mine, but i have goals and standards), and the heart.

so i'd be happy if i never had to read about it in a joking sense, and even happier if it were never to come up in a serious sense.

[Rory Storm]

I know that was directed at me.

So whatever.

Yeah it's bad when you use it in the context it's meant to be used in: Forced Sex.

But other than that, it's just a word. Like any word. And to me, most words don't have any "good" or "bad" side to them. They are just words.

[töm]

it wasn't directed at you. i didn't know you posted in this thread.

[tater]

Blargh. I should have checked here first. I replied in LJ.

Rory, I think that may be the problem. Words are not always just words. There is even a special term to explain that in the English language. Connotations can be very strong.

I am not offended by the use of the word rape to describe a situation. I don't find it funny nor do I use it personally but that's my choice. I also don't find racial slurs funny. I simply don't laugh.

I DON'T go around harping on any one that uses them. I DON'T write a public statement denouncing anyone that says such words in a joking manner. If I am sufficiently offended I try to state my feelings in a proper manner and hope that the offender respects me enough to avoid doing the offensive act in the future.

It's just like anything else people find offensive. There are ways of dealing with it without making it into a cause to fight for. People need to grow up.

[Dr. Badman]

Uh...

The idea of 90% of all games is to kill things. KILL things. We've been fragging, plugging, gibbing, de-limbing and flaying things since the days of Space Invaders. These idiots are selectively being offended by the 'R' word, while they're KILLING things. Way to prioritise. Death and murder is just as serious (arguably more serious) as sex crimes. Advice to these sort of people would be to simply not play games. Stay out of the angry-15-year-old-infested game lobbys/chat rooms. Build a huge protective bubble and suffocate in it.

"You cant kill that player! I know someone who died!"

[Dr. Badman]

I'll also add more specifically to the topic that it's mostly immature kids (unfortunately more than half the gaming population) that use that sort of language in games - and if they're neglective parents cant discipline them, I doubt some angry internet chick has a chance.

[Dr. Badman]

PS: Finite's been staring at the "Who's Online" section for a disturbing amount of time...

[robot]

i bet half those chicks fantasize about being raped

[Rory Storm]

My question is this: How can you all sit by talking about how bad rape is, when the board has been...vadalized...by pornographic images? You sit here and say how bad rape is, how pornographic things are using people like objects. You say these things, yet in offtopic there was a severe violations of the Terms of Service. Some did, indeed, post porn related material. Yet, so far, no one has done anything about it. Now if I were to do something like that, would the reaction be the same? I doubt it. The person who did this should be delt with. But oh wait, it was so and so, there is nothing we can do about so and so. This proves that, assuming you do nothing, that you are hypocritical to the statements you make. And that is quite sad.

[Forever Finite]

PS: Finite's been staring at the "Who's Online" section for a disturbing amount of time...
that's between me and you and the guest.

[Forever Finite]

My question is this: How can you all sit by talking about how bad rape is, when the board has been...vadalized...by pornographic images? You sit here and say how bad rape is, how pornographic things are using people like objects. You say these things, yet in offtopic there was a severe violations of the Terms of Service. Some did, indeed, post porn related material. Yet, so far, no one has done anything about it. Now if I were to do something like that, would the reaction be the same? I doubt it. The person who did this should be delt with. But oh wait, it was so and so, there is nothing we can do about so and so. This proves that, assuming you do nothing, that you are hypocritical to the statements you make. And that is quite sad.
who are you directing this to? those girls don't even know this place exists.

[Rory Storm]

No. I am talking about how people on this board are all saying, OH YOU SHOULDN'T USE RAPE FOR WHAT IT IMPLIES. When suddenly, someone posts something that is in violation of the Terms of Service, they side with people who violated it, meaning that one cannot trust those who run the board. They side with friends. In order to be in an administrative position, one should be able to deal with problems according to the rules. In this case, they have not. And I am a little angry about that.

[Forever Finite]

woah. you're using those huge sweeping words. "all the people" at this board does not mean tom, katie, and drew, asshole. besides, they're just expressing their personal opinions on the subject, they aren't going anywhere outside of this thread to snap at people who use the word rape.

[Aeralis]

(On the topic of rape, not the ToS)
Overall, people just need to lighten up. Laugh, it's OK. The "Super FunTime Riot Squad" isn't going to jump out at you from behind the bushes if you find something humerous. People spend so much time caught up in being offended at SpongeBob taking off his pants and worrying about being "PC" that they turn into nervous, bitter people. These people bury their true feelings under the fear of being taken to court because they let the "all-evil N word" slip at the wrong moment, and some just want the publicity. If people would just laugh at what they know is the norm or what has a light-hearted meaning behind it, the world wouldn't be so angry.

[töm]

the terms of service are of only a nominal nature. the way that this board is run is primarily libertarian. "yeah, you really shouldn't do that, jerkface, but you still ought to have the right to. but please don't." of course, we have some loose cannons and conflicts of interest: most notoriously in the past Amy, who banned such all stars as EyesOnly and Aph, and more recently, Koba, who banned some other (thousands of) people.

the TOS is in no way a contract. perhaps it's a nice guideline, but that's it.

would i like to remove the "all my dicks are coming" image? yeah. but it's just silly.

as for siding with friends. yeah, one can't deny that. i wouldn't call any of the people here that are troublemakers my "friends," though. they've just shown themselves to be more trustworthy, or just plain innocuous jokes in and of themselves. some people are just less annoying than others.

[AngryGoatFace]

<font face="Trebuchet MS">um, if i'm correct, it's the admin's responsibility to enforce the TOS.

and the admin is gone.</font>

[Forever Finite]

the only time i feel guilty about the looseness of the forum is when i remember that this is a cartoon message board and that little kids and their parents assume it will be a healthful and safe place to frollick in.

[töm]

haha. that's never come to my mind before. children? here?

as for the TOS, that's just a thing that JelSoft uses to cover themselves. It's for their benefit, not for ours. How many people read that thing? They just click the "I have read, and agree to abide by the RWaM & GIR Message Board rules" box and are on their merry way.


<blockquote>"By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."</blockquote>

How are you going to enforce that? That's negating the whole <i>human experience</i>, man!

Are you talking about this anyway? Because it's absurd to think that anyone has the responsibility to look after the built-in liability-disclaiming rules.

[Forever Finite]

no! i'm really not. and i could hardly care less. i just sometimes feel a little smidgen of guilt for the 9, 10, 11 year olds that come waltzing in to see reef's million and one cocks having a gigantic orgasm. then again, if they're browsing the internet, they have probably already seen their fair share of surprises. plus, even if we filtered that sort of thing, the things we talk about are still pretty vulgar at times. and not necessarily in a demeaning way.

[töm]

yeah, we have some down right interesting and edifying threads around here that you can't exactly show on tee vee in front of the kay eye dee ess.

for the kind of 9, 10, 11 year old that i was, i would have shut the browser immediately, turned off the computer, and felt very guilty for days for seeing such a thing, vowing never to repeat the same mistakes that brought me to that point.

hopefully kids are still the same today.

[MST3Kakalina]

My question is this: How can you all sit by talking about how bad rape is, when the board has been...vadalized...by pornographic images? You sit here and say how bad rape is, how pornographic things are using people like objects. You say these things, yet in offtopic there was a severe violations of the Terms of Service. Some did, indeed, post porn related material. Yet, so far, no one has done anything about it. Now if I were to do something like that, would the reaction be the same? I doubt it. The person who did this should be delt with. But oh wait, it was so and so, there is nothing we can do about so and so. This proves that, assuming you do nothing, that you are hypocritical to the statements you make. And that is quite sad.

hey buddy. way to score minus a million for relevance. if you have a problem with how the administration deals with problems, why not mention it when it's...you know. relevant. not eons later in a thread where your comment in no way relates to the conversation? (i don't remember anyone even MENTIONING porn.) so either dislodge the rainforest you obviously have up your ass about...whatever, or bring it up with a mod/admin in private.


do not pass go. do not collect 200 dollars.

[Vile]

i bet half those chicks fantasize about being raped

That's interesting really. I was talking to a girl that did fantasize about that-

But how is it rape if she secretly wants it? Wouldn't it be more like sudden sexing?

[Rory Storm]

Okay, I don't know. It's just that...well...I found the material mentioned in that thread to be...well...offensive, I guess. It's just I want to be able to open a thread and not worry about if my parents were to walk in the room. I just don't think that openly posting such things as porn should be acceptable. I just think that I'm worried about, I suppose, is the fact that my parents might wise up to the cookie feature of the internet, or somehow find such things. I'm just the one who doesn't want to get in trouble. It's offensive to my parents, I know this. I just don't want them to see me as such a person that looks at stuff like that. Yes, I know how to cover my tracks, but I know that one time I forget...bam. I just don't want to let my parents down.

EDIT: I figured out how to block images too, so it helps.

Take that as you may. The subject is dropped. I'm sorry for bringing it up.

[töm]

please don't mean to be sorry. there's no need to apologize. weird things pop up in weird places; that's the nature of the internets. if they think that one dirty comic out of a hundred thousand posts is what you've come here to look at, then there is some lack of communication there. i do know, though, is that if you're so concerned with cleanliness of the moral slate, you might be located in somewhere other than a vagina.

not that that's a bad place to be. it's just kind of private.

[Rory Storm]

Okay, so I put down something funny I heard somewhere, just like many other people do, so what?

Internet...what a place. Glad to share it with such a wonderful, bright bunch of people.

[töm]

dear rory,

i'm sorry. please don't get upset, sir. you want me to tell you the truth?

cosmetics actually matter a lot. the fact that your avatar pays hommage to an overhyped esoteric franchise, your sig is 1.5 times the size of my balled fist, and that your name is <i>rory</i> are quite irritating in themselves. your messages may not be, but it is sometimes difficult to see beyond superficial things. i know that's wrong in itself, but your appearance greatly devalues your words. a make over could help.

i don't say this with any malice, just with honesty. at the beginning of this thread, i could have said "oh, you posted in this thread? i'm sorry, i just skip your posts," what with all of the annoyances i just mentioned, and said what i intended to. but i wanted to remain composed for as long as i could.

now, i apologize, and i hope you don't take this as aggression, but as the pure honesty that it is. you're irritating. it's not your fault, so don't worry about it. believe me, i hate writing things like this. but you're one of the few people that have continually irritated me. i am sorry.

and now i click "post" and regret it.

maybe we can get over it and become friends.

[Vile]

I never knew that about you. I mean, you of all people.

[Rory Storm]

What's your fucking problem? I put in my view on something. Then it got blew out of proportion because all of you don't agree with it. I can ignore the bit about my sig and avatar, but when it comes to my name, I don't care if you were joking or not, that hurts. That really, deep down, I don't care if it's the internet or not, hurts. That is my name. THAT IS MY REAL NAME. Would you go around and offend people in the real world as you do in this here digital one? No, but you do because you have a bolded name, you have power, and you abuse it. You think because you are mod you can have people treat you like a king. I don't care if you say what you said with no malace, or whatever. I know they are just words, but IN THEIR CONTEXT, they are hurtful.
"Oh, then why don't you leave." Why? Because I like it here. I just wanted the experience to stop degrading to nothing. The experience isn't degrading because we let newbies in. It isn't degrading because people don't spell things correctly. It's because he mods don't do their jobs. At all. It has become a title. Unattainable by other, owned by a select few. The corruption of this administration will no doubt eventualy lead to its downfall. Being a mod isn't to have people say "OH NICE POST!" "GOOD JOB AGAIN!" "YOU MAKE THE RIGHT DESCIONS ALL THE TIME!" No, it's to do a job. Monitor the boards. AND THIS ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T DO THAT.
I love how you mock my name though. It irrtates you. It annoys you. Well you know what. It's mine, and I'm damn proud to be owner of some non-generic name.
There will be ramifications for this post. I know it. It's because people at these boards cannot honestly show their true opinions.

[Vile]

Come on guys. Calm down.

No need to be mad or argue in large paragraphs.

[MST3Kakalina]

Rory, sweetie. it's only the internet.


anyway, maybe it's because i've known tom a little longer than you, but there's no reason to get so...aggressive...about what he said. i don't think he means to come across as an asshole here. he said that he intended no malice, even. or did you just read his post selectively? not to mention tom is probably one of the nicest people here, up there with Nadine and Taxy.

i also find it funny that you post about the administration not doing anything in a forum whose nature and very existence are due directly to the adiminstration responding and reacting to user feedback. it's kinda like rain on your wedding day.

[Rory Storm]

The thing is: HE DID COME ACROSS AS AN ASSHOLE. So because he comes across as an ass, I don't have to be mad? Oh, only the internet. You don't think I KNOW THAT? I mean I am only sitting at my computer right now. That was insulting. I found it wrong for him to abuse my name in such a way. I don't know about you, but when anyone makes fun of your name, it hurts. Even if they say, "Oh I don't mean this but..." That's like, "Oh I don't mean this but you're fat, ugly, and those zits you have strewn across your face out number the stars." It is INSULTING. So therefore, I have every right to act "aggressive".

[Vile]

Please Rory, you're making a scene.

*cuddles*

[MST3Kakalina]

The thing is: HE DID COME ACROSS AS AN ASSHOLE. So because he comes across as an ass, I don't have to be mad? Oh, only the internet. You don't think I KNOW THAT? I mean I am only sitting at my computer right now. That was insulting. I found it wrong for him to abuse my name in such a way. I don't know about you, but when anyone makes fun of your name, it hurts. Even if they say, "Oh I don't mean this but..." That's like, "Oh I don't mean this but you're fat, ugly, and those zits you have strewn across your face out number the stars." It is INSULTING. So therefore, I have every right to act "aggressive".
okay, before this thread devolves into a flamewar, i will say this. then, i will respond no more to your posts on this subject matter, and the thread will either sink, or people will have something to say about the original topic.

1. tom didn't mean to come across as an asshole. he took every precaution to assure you he didn't intend to sound mean. perhaps it struck you as being condescending, but that wasn't the intent. it would be mature to realize this and to stop being angry about it.

2. i'm also pretty sure the bit about your name was a joke, though i admit i still can't tell when he's joking and when he's serious.

3. it IS "only" the internet. how long are you planning to stay angry and offended because of words on a screen from someone you'll probably never meet? not too long, i hope. please go take a walk or read for a couple hours, if you really are this angry.


you can respond if you wish, but i'd prefer you didn't. it would only extend this silly argument further than it needs to go.

if you DO respond, i ask you actually go back and READ what has been said so far, and make sure to understand what they say.

[töm]

What's your fucking problem? I put in my view on something. Then it got blew out of proportion because all of you don't agree with it. I can ignore the bit about my sig and avatar, but when it comes to my name, I don't care if you were joking or not, that hurts. That really, deep down, I don't care if it's the internet or not, hurts. That is my name. THAT IS MY REAL NAME. Would you go around and offend people in the real world as you do in this here digital one? hi.

i don't have problems, only bugaboos. i like that you responded so openly, though. thanks. as for proportions... well. haha. maybe it's a fault of my own, but i'm very detached from things of strife. so i don't see it as too big. i just see it as lazy tapping at keys on a hot summer afternoon. i'm sorry if it hits you as more. i didn't mean to pick a fight; i just wanted to chat about this and that.

you're more than free to share your opinions, i hope you don't think otherwise. i don't remember anyone being excommunicated for that. and! i'm happy that you do. you write such nice things. i like to know what people are thinking, and you afford me just that knowledge. i know, for people like mee, it may be sometimes difficult to understand what my thoughts are. i sugar coat my delivery to the point of prevarication; and more often than not, i say the complete opposite of what i think. (as a joke. for laughing.) but thank you for your honesty! it becomes you. i like that about you. you're very articulate.

as for my last post. well, i said i'd regret it. i didn't mean for you to take it to heart. it was just some constructive criticism. it is really my version of the truth. it was why i haven't been paying too much attention to your posts. i just see a fat man in red white and blue and swoosh past it everytime i see a post of yours. previous to that, those muppets or whatever you had. for the rest, i grit my teeth at all hitchhiker references. (my dentist says i ought not, as my teeth could be whittled down to nothing in my old age! yikes.) i know that's all silly, but it really does get on my nerves. i know it's irrational, so no worries there. :)

i'm sorry that you took such umbrage at the mention of your name! i'm also sorry that it's true, though. you know. some words sound bad to some people. and experience and all of that hooplah... i've just known some Rory that have been rather unsavory fellows, so i've grown to dislike the name. you know. it's why not too many people name their kid Adolf. they have reservations about it from an unrelated source. i have reservations about Rory. i didn't know it was a crime, but i apologize anyway.

as for offending people. i don't offend people. i'm a pussy cat, and anyone who has met me can attribute to that. if you <i>took</i> it offensively, that is one thing. it was not <i>intended</i> to be offensive. i hope nothing i say is. i like to try to be a nice person. i apologize again. it was just what i was thinking. and who likes to keep secrets? the truth isn't all rainbows and butterflies (some of it is though: like the truth about rainbows and butterflies), and i'm sorry you reacted like that.

haha. and from there. it gets weeeeird.

No, but you do because you have a bolded name, you have power, and you abuse it. You think because you are mod you can have people treat you like a king. I don't care if you say what you said with no malace, or whatever. I know they are just words, but IN THEIR CONTEXT, they are hurtful.
"Oh, then why don't you leave." Why? Because I like it here. I just wanted the experience to stop degrading to nothing. The experience isn't degrading because we let newbies in. It isn't degrading because people don't spell things correctly. It's because he mods don't do their jobs. At all. It has become a title. Unattainable by other, owned by a select few. The corruption of this administration will no doubt eventualy lead to its downfall. Being a mod isn't to have people say "OH NICE POST!" "GOOD JOB AGAIN!" "YOU MAKE THE RIGHT DESCIONS ALL THE TIME!" No, it's to do a job. Monitor the boards. AND THIS ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T DO THAT.it's bolded and italicized, yeah. that's just how the board works. i didn't ask for it. it just fell in my lap. i will in no way toot my own horn, since i think i'm the least of the staff here. a lot of other people deserve a lot more praise, regardless of i may have done. (a lot goes on where you can't see it, by the way. if you had been here since the beginning, you would have noticed some pretty neat things that happened. and they don't happen by themselves.)

now. power. yeah, i can lock a thread. i can delete an account. i can manually delete every file off of this server. dudeman. i don't do any of those crazy things. (well, actually i locked <a href=http://www.roomwithamoose.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=15812>a thread</a> this morning.) i don't know where you get the abuse of power thing from. the extent that i use my admin powers are to give people large avatars and funky colors in their status quote. and i don't do that for the "elite" or whatever. i've done it for anyone that ever asked. you want something done and i can do it. i'm open for business. i enjoy doing things for people.

a king. i don't want anyone to treat me like anything. and i don't think they do. the staff here has always been very "hands on." they don't sit around and idle. they're in the threads with the people. not using their power flagrantly and constantly. they're just normal users who can address a problem--or introduce a new, happy thing--when it is called for. i've seen hardly anyone give me any special attention, and i'm glad for that. those who have been like "omg admin," i've rolled my eyes at. i know when i'm being patronized and it's not a happy thing. so i don't see where that... king. thing. is. i don't tell anyone what to do. i don't demand respect...

do you know why the moderation exists? in the beginning, there were no mods. that was out of the question. the board was supposed to be unconditionally FREE. they were only introduced because of spam attack one night. they're supposed to be there in case something significant that threatens the usability of the boards occurs. they're not supposed to regulate everything. maybe some of them do, but i always thought that i was more lenient than that. i'm not about bannings or flamings or lockings or restrictions.

what do you want the administration to do? i don't see any problem with the board. heck, even the table breaking i supported.

when they do something, people complain. "oh, you guys are too harsh," "oh, that shouldn't have happened," "oh, why are abusing your power?" and they do nothing people complain. that's why "nothing" is done. no move is popular. except in those cases where there's a porn bot spamming the boards at midnight. but that's only happened about. oh, ten times. a long long time ago.

monitor the boards? the boards are yours. post what you like. i don't see corruption in the administration. we may not jump at every time some one does something out of line, but that is because of a number of reasons. the boards are supposed to be free. sure, maybe we have too many people on the staff (and i agree with that whole heartedly), but that's the only gripe i have right now. they're nice people, and it's not like they do anything, so that's okay for now.

the messageboard would fold faster due to regulation than it would to degregulation. have i ever whored attention? i'm here, but i post, like, five times a week. you'd be hard pressed to even find a handful of threads by me, much less me talking down to people or demanding heroworship.

i'm sorry you see it that way.


i'm enjoying talking with you. :D



<p align=right>dear koba,
thank you for being so nice! i definitely don't agree
with all of those swell things you have to say about
me, but i'm happy that you think so. <img src=http://www.roomwithamoose.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/smile.gif>
love,
tom</p>




haha. did i just write all that? awesome. it probably has no meaning, though. see, once i have conversations like this with people, i feel pretty amicable towards them thenceforth. being honest kinds of sets other things aside.

what a windbag!

[Rory Storm]

Oh, okay. I see now.
I was being stupid and pig headed. So sorry.

Gosh, I feel like such a fool now. :o

[töm]

fuck you iodine or i will cut you.


i'm sorry, rory. won't you talk more with me? sorry i was a little verbose. i don't want to be impudent. :(

[Dr. Badman]

i've done it for anyone that ever asked. you want something done and i can do it. i'm open for business. i enjoy doing things for people.

http://www.roomwithamoose.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=15725

AHEM

[töm]

i didn't read that thread, sorry.

[Vile]

<s>If you'll bold <i>his</i> name, surely you'll bold mine.

Surely.</s>

[töm]

bold is boring! think of something <i>exciting!</i>

perhaps bold, italicized, crossed out, with no underline, flashing, marqueeing, and hot pinnk?

[Vile]

A rich royal purple is both tasteful and attractive.

[töm]

i wouldn't dare judge colors. find one that suits you.

[Vile]

Unfortunatly I'm more of a spring. But never mind, obviously I won't get the name make over.

But it's ok because right now my day is sad anyway. Did you know my sister is a poet? Did you know that I used to be one? And that I hate her? And that I wish she was back in camp right now?

I hope she dies of her obesity.

[töm]

is she younger than you? are you in the mind to share some of her poetry with the rest of the class?

[Vile]

She's younger, and no. Her "award winning" poetry book is tucked away in dear mummy's pocket. She's going to a high honor student presentation tonight. I honestly do hate her.

[töm]

a whole book?

are you invited to the presenation, for moral support and pride?

[Vile]

8 pages counts as a book in my eyes.

And I am invited, but my parents told me that they see no reason for me bothering to come.

"I know I ruin everything mother."
"Then stop it, erin. I wish I could come home to nice things."

[töm]

it's bookish. maybe a novella.

those things are silly and superficial anyway. i know all the ones that i've been to were. they're for the sake of parents, not the actual students. "oh, my child is a genius! ah... it seems that they all are. won't you look at that?"

i don't really have much experience with troubling younger siblings. i have an older sister, but she doesn't cause too much trouble. maybe a little drama now and then, but she's more like "some crazy person who lives in the attic" than an evil sister.

but i can see how it's... not so good. at least they're out of your hair for a few hours? that's always good.

[Vile]

And to put the frosting on the angel cake, my friend Julie has gained some artistic talent I just can't rival anymore.

People with talent make me feel very <small>very _{small</small>}

[Rory Storm]

8 pages counts as a book in my eyes.

And I am invited, but my parents told me that they see no reason for me bothering to come.

"I know I ruin everything mother."
"Then stop it, erin. I wish I could come home to nice things."

Vile, my parents say things like that too. "Rory, why don't you do anything productive. All you do is sit at the computer all day. You don't do anything around the house...blah blah blah blah blah." "Rory, pay attention to me, you fuck things up. You need to help us out" "Rory all you do is sit there and type your stupid stories. Go out side and so stuff." "Rory, all your drawing are horribly dark, you need to lighten up, Rory take out the trash, Rory mow the lawn, Rory get another job. Rory, you can't quit the job you have now so you can work 40 hours at a job you want to be at."
Like that, all day, everyday.

[Vile]

I just don't talk to anyone I know outside the internet anymore. Suits me fine.

[töm]

i don't think i've seen any of your art, erin. would you care to share? i'm interested.

i still think one of the best assets a person can have is a good personality, and you're up there in the big leagues with that one. i don't see any lack of possibility for you. tough breaks from jerks; everyone gets them..

[Vile]

I'm much to shy for that. I'm going to force feed myself some talent, and then do fourty minutes on the stationary bike.

Until then. *hat tip, and exit stage right*

[töm]

`bonne chance.

[KLEIN]

But enough of that!

I'm climbing on the "Bold and italicize my name" bandwagon. I want my name's text to appear to be an administrator's.

And...

No linking to threads in secret boards, Bad-man. You're bringing closer the awful day when the peasants discover our secret boards.

And the war will begin at last. Blood will flow in the gutters. The infidels will be purged.

[Vile]

I'm noticing that my name is not a spring color.

[töm]

oh, you wanted a spring color? of what sort? i don't want to disappoint.

[Vile]

Something that screams "I'm a positive pete!".

[Vile]

Oh, I feel so handsome!

[töm]

does that suit your snoot, mademoiselle? perhaps i could make hearts popping out of it too?

[töm]

well, let's try anyway!


brilliant, i say!


you're a work of art, erin.

[Vile]

Oh, thank you! I'm going to pick you a bouquet of flowers today, and I will post the picture right here to prove that I've done it.

[Dr. Badman]

I was going to yell at Tom for his absurd admin speech towards Rory, but he obey'd...

No linking to threads in secret boards, Bad-man. You're bringing closer the awful day when the peasants discover our secret boards.

And the war will begin at last. Blood will flow in the gutters. The infidels will be purged.The war happened without you.

We lost.