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BreadObama69
06-10-2005, 02:19 PM
I miss writing about politics.

So....

Democrats Joseph Biden and John Edwards are criticizing party chairman Howard Dean, saying his rhetorical attacks on Republicans have gone too far.

Dean has said Republicans never made an honest living in their lives and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay ought to go back to Houston where he can serve his jail sentence. DeLay has not been accused of any crime.

Dean "doesn't speak for me with that kind of rhetoric and I don't think he speaks for the majority of Democrats," Biden, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said.

While discussing the hardship of working Americans standing in long lines to vote, Dean said Thursday, "Republicans, I guess, can do that because a lot of them have never made an honest living in their lives." Dean said later his comments did not refer to hard-working Americans, but rather to the failure of Republican leadership to address working-class concerns.

Responding to Dean's initial remark, Edwards said Dean "is not the spokesman for the party."

Dean is "a voice. I don't agree with it," Edwards said.

Democratic Party spokeswoman Karen Finney said Sunday, "At times we may have disagreements in our party, just as Republicans have disagreements, but as Democrats we are unified in our efforts to get our country back on track."

Asked about Dean's remark about Republicans and honest living, GOP chairman Ken Mehlman said "I'm not sure the best way to win support in the red states is to insult the folks who live there. I think that a better approach might be to talk about the issues you're for."

So what is the opinion on this behavior? I think now what I have always thought... Dean is an egotistical buffoon who loves the sound of his own voice. And I mean that in the most respectful way possible.

But really, I think he's nothing but hurt for the Democrats...he's way too divisive and controversial, hardly the type of guy to get new voters to the left.

I think if your own party starts to criticize its leaders, something is up.

Conversely, some people say Dean is speaking the truth, and that it's refreshing to hear the truth....but i respectfully disagree.

ALSO in local VT news.....I saw Dean on the Burlington bike bath, RIDING WITHOUT A HELMET.

töm
06-10-2005, 03:33 PM
Dean is a character. I love him. Maybe not all of his comments, but I love the aura he exudes. It's just pure gold. He's entertaining. If he has a neverland ranch-like estate, I should hope to be invited over one day. I do love Howard Dean.

He has no real "power," and the Democratic Party seems to be in a slump right now, so I don't think that he's really causing too much of a ruckus, or any real problems. He's just like that Tarik Aziz guy. He's the joke man.


As for the helmet news: Howie D. is a respectable doctor. No doubt, upon his death, his delicious organs (save for his hate-ridden black, black heart) will be rushed poste haste to those who need them most. Riding upon his donorcycle sans helmet shall bring happiness to more, in a more timely fashion. He is selfless.

robot
06-11-2005, 07:49 AM
why do people get mad if he says that the republican party is a white, christian party?

it isn't offensive its true.

BreadObama69
06-11-2005, 08:10 AM
you can't speak truth like that in politics and get away with it.

MST3Kakalina
06-11-2005, 01:13 PM
you should be allowed to.


party politics is retarded. it alternates between trying to make the other guys look bad while simultaneously working to maintain the ridiculously complex, do-nothing machine that is the US government. is Dean playing the party game? it seems like he is. i still like the guy, though. obnoxious liberal extremism is something i like. it's what brings about change.

though i think it'd be more accurate to say that politicians haven't made an honest living in their lives.

exemplary citizen
06-11-2005, 01:31 PM
Zing.


I'm still holding out my desperate hope for a reasonable, centrist candidate that actually has a chance at winning. And I'd also like a pony. :(

MST3Kakalina
06-11-2005, 01:46 PM
the reasonable centrist candidate comes after we unretard the government.


yes, i just used the word "unretard."

BreadObama69
06-11-2005, 03:46 PM
I had a long conversation about the whole political machine with a friend of mine the other night....the end point was that politics in this country is on a downhill race that will end in the fall of the US government, and that when the US falls, the rest of the world will fall....hard. Perhaps in our lifetime....

I wish I could write the whole thing out in a sensible way....

Ravenous Monkey
06-12-2005, 10:29 AM
I don't think this is as big a deal as it is made out to be. I also don't think things are so hopeless in politics and the country. Things always seem terrible when we're living through them, but on hindsight it's amazing that we were able to get through them.

We've had a civil war, democrat's and republican's have gained and lost power, extremism, moderation, crazy polarizing political figures, and normal moderates, all come and go.

cyberen
06-12-2005, 02:04 PM
I think, at least Dean is speaking up and making some noise instead of being a soggy pile of subservient goo like a lot of Democrats.

Ravenous Monkey
06-12-2005, 02:29 PM
If we disregard the question of whether Dean was right, but rather focus on the issue of his frankness, then the following conivncingly argues in favor of abandoning our "aversion" to such methods.


http://wwics.si.edu/index.cfm?fuseaction=wq.essay&essay_id=120374