sexual orientation poll

[implode]

i don't recall one of these ever being done, and if it was, i forgot the results, lost the link, and wasn't here that day.

it is a commonly held belief that lesbians/bisexual women are more prevalent in society than gay/bisexual men are, at least in the sample i've taken from friends and associates, and the observations i've noted myself. while several explanations have been offered for this (women are more open minded, women have more desireable physical features than men, women are more prone to attention-seeking through shock tactics, etc..) i feel we cannot begin conjecturing on the nature of this attraction before first consulting our peers on their actual desires themselves. if this proves to be the case, i will feel entirely more comfortable discussing the nature of these desires, as i believe it is probably indicitive of something rooted far deeper in human nature, and we are just the group of cartoon-loving teenagers to make these groundbreaking discoveries.

so please, answer this question honestly for the sake of scientific objectivity, you dykes.

[strawberry kiss]

But as discussed before, I have done stuff with girls(on several occassions). But I'm not attracted to them. It's not an attention thing. I guess it is being more open minded. I've described it as "universally honry". I just like to feel good.

I voted hetero.

[implode]

right, that's a different thing entirely. presumably, if you could train a monkey to pleasure you, it wouldn't matter which gender it was - the same case applies here. the world is your pleasure monkey.

[Vile]

And I'm just the opposite. I sometimes feel attracted to girls, but I don't think I'd ever do anything with them. Is that also hetero?

[strawberry kiss]

I'd say not. The question is if you were attracted. And you are.

[deadish]

ah, but this opens up many different cans of several species of worm.
some people (such as my mum) think you can't know your orientation before actually having sex.. i beg to differ. (i told her once i was bi, and she, always telling me it would be okay no matter what my preference, replied curtly, "since WHEN?")
(and seeing as i've only been in one <i>online</i> relationship really{:C}, i've never even remotely done anything with anyone, so.)
as i've said before, i've been attracted to both sexes.. and then some. i found recently that some call this 'pansexuality'. haha
also, there's the matter of gender identification as applies to sexuality... though i am, and at least two-thirds of the time dress like, a girl, in my head i am a man. i act like it, talk like it, feel like it. when in the company of girls (who are ALMOST ALWAYS smaller than me! AGH) i just. become male. when in the company of guys, i feel like a peer. and become uncomfortable if any flirting goes on. >_> i LIKE flirting, i do! i want to be flirted at, just like anybody, but still... there's that discomfort that a GUY is hitting on a GUY. if a girl flirts with me, i'm all yay and happy for it(even if i.. don't acknowledge it.). i feel as though, were i a man physiologically, i would be entirely okay with both sexes. probably as i wouldn't feel threatened by other men.
i constantly wish i'd been born a boy. cry cry cry.
and THEN I THINK shitjesus, this is too complicated, and want to forget about the whole damned thing!

TO HELL WITH SEXUALITY. i just want to live!

[Awesome McManly]

I think the poll should have more options, but that's just me. I think there should be options for low level bisexuality. Sexual line studies generelly fall into at least eight options, and usually ten. This is to get a better grasp on the extent of each individuals sexuality. Low level bisexuals will generally favor one gender, but still either find themselves either mildly attracted to the other gender occasionally, or just be slightly more open to encounters with them.

still, I guess if your intentions are more to get a feel for the male to female sexuality rate then that's a little different.

[implode]

I think the poll should have more options, but that's just me. I think there should be options for low level bisexuality. Sexual line studies generelly fall into at least eight options, and usually ten. This is to get a better grasp on the extent of each individuals sexuality. Low level bisexuals will generally favor one gender, but still either find themselves either mildly attracted to the other gender occasionally, or just be slightly more open to encounters with them.

still, I guess if your intentions are more to get a feel for the male to female sexuality rate then that's a little different. well <i>saw-ree.</i> :P

i think my phrasing kind of covers my ass, here - i put "a male/female who <i>has been</i> attracted to [corresponding gender]" which includes people who are primarily attracted to one gender but still find themselves mildly attracted to the other one occasionally. but yeah, i'm just curious if the difference in ratio is as drastic as people (myself included) seem to think it is.

to deadish: wow, i'm sorry you have to deal with all that. one thing i'm curious about, though, is whether what you're feeling when you say you feel like a man is actually anything like how a man feels, since, presumably, you wouldn't have a solid idea what that felt like.

i agree with your assessment of your mom's comment, though. you know what makes your loins ache, whether you act on those impulses or not. the impulses are usually more emotionally powerful than actually engaging in the act, in my opinion.

[Awesome McManly]

okay, fair enough. You're right in that respect, although I think one of the reasons is that lesbians are genereally more socialy accepted than gay men are. So you might find you get a more honest response from the male participants if you were to include a low level option. I tend to suspect that a lot of my guy friends are low level bisexuals, but they're just so ridiculously homophobic to ever accept that about themeselves, to say nothing of ever admitting it to anyone.

I just think low level bisexuality in general is more prevalent than people would care to admit. Especially if they can live comfortably and happily in a heterosexual life style, which is probably the easier of the two.

[deadish]

one thing i'm curious about, though, is whether what you're feeling when you say you feel like a man is actually anything like how a man feels, since, presumably, you wouldn't have a solid idea what that felt like.

haha, i suppose that's true... let us say then that i feel entirely not like a woman. i'm uncomfortable in this body. grr.
SEE, i need to talk about this with GUYS! XD so i can KNOW.
sweetbun, tell me what it's like to be a man.

[KLEIN]

Most of the time it's ok, but occasionally you get some socially unacceptable boners. You've gotta learn how to handle that.

On the other hand, you can usually go in public without worrying about getting eye-raped or regular raped. On the whole, I'd recommend it.

[Awesome McManly]

Most of the time it's ok, but occasionally you get some socially unacceptable boners. You've gotta learn how to handle that.

On the other hand, you can usually go in public without worrying about getting eye-raped or regular raped. On the <s>whole</s> hole, I'd recommend it.

fixed

[Davey Rootbeer]

a good pair of jeans can fix that little problem.

however, sweatpants are a teenage boy's worst enemy.


what is it called when a person is not attracted to any gender at all?

[Awesome McManly]

A-sexual?

I don't find any pair of pants to be that much of a problem, so long as you can tuck it under your belt.

[Kenji]

What if you're asexual?

Oh, apparently, this has already been asked.

[BeastDad1987]

I've never gone steady with a girl, though I have gone on dates. I like girls too, I guess-- it's not really a preference thing as much as it is a "well I don't differentiate if I enjoy the other person's company". But I am more shy with approaching girls, so... I dunno.

I've have a boyfriend for over three years now though, so in the end it doesn't really matter.

[Meat Load]

I think for some of us younger heteros there's still the faint possibility that we might figure out that we're gay but we haven't yet. Not that this is probably going to make a huge difference on the poll, I just thought it was something worth pointing out.

[HappySilly4Doom]

I not sure myself! I guess whether straight or not you just know what you are a attracted to! But alot people in the closet bottle it up for soo many years they even might come out when their 40 or older! I guess if you try to force yourself to be someone your not attracted to you can't be happy! Because you will always feel that something is missing emotionally in your life, and no matter how wonderful that partner is to you, you can't fake intimacy. (at least to your self) ^_^

*smiles and shrugs*

[Awesome McManly]

I think that was your most coherent post yet.

[HappySilly4Doom]

I luv monkies!

*smiles*

[HappySilly4Doom]

I think that was your most coherent post yet.

Thank you! (YAY! I have coherent thoughts!) ^________^

*smiles*

[implode]

So you might find you get a more honest response from the male participants if you were to include a low level option. i dunno, we're all friends here, and there is certainly no rampant homophobia running through our ranks. plus, the poll isn't public, so nobody knows who voted for which option. of course, if you're really ashamed of your impulses you're going to lie no matter what, but i.. i dunno. I ASKED YOU NOT TO! IS THAT NOT ENOUGH?!?

yes, girls liking girls is more socially acceptable, but this isn't really... society. there are very few outsiders looking in that will look down on your choices, and none who have the option to. i don't think you can boil a higher incidence of lesbians down to an equation as simple as "we do it because we can." perhaps if the roles were switched there would be more men put in a <i>situation</i> where they could honestly consider a homosexual act, but i don't know if that would be enough. is society responsible for the surge in bisexuality? are more women exploring impulses they wouldn't have had if they weren't suggested to them? are we all born straight and made gay by society, or is it the other way around?

it seems like society itself COULDN'T be responsible for desire, only curiosity. this isn't a curiosity poll - if you've honestly never been curious about sex with the same gender, you're probably either very sheltered or very uninterested in ANY sort of sex. desire is different - you don't honestly desire something because your friends have done it, you just desire to do what your friends have done. while a grossly misproportionate amount of desire on one side of the gender lines could, conceivably, foster more desire on that side, using that argument would imply that the current results indicate that about 50% of heterosexual guys would enjoy and even desire further homosexual acts, under certain circumstances. making approximately 50% of the population bisexual.

sweetbun, tell me what it's like to be a man. it's like a lifetime of comin' home from the coaaaaal miiiine.

<small>we'll talk about it on AIM sometime.</small>

[t3]

Hmm... I find that the rare instances where I'm paying enough attention to my surroundings to be attracted to someone, they're female. The 'strict hetro' option will have to do, in lieu of an "oblivious" option.

[MST3Kakalina]

where's the the Mecha-sexual option? =P

haha. i am weird in that i kind of imprint on people, sexually. once i'm dating someone no one else will excite any sexual interest in me at all. i can be really friendly and a terrible flirt and all of that, but it's not...whatever. but i think that might be related to some self image issues?

but yeah, i'm gonna stick with "straight" on this one.

[deadish]

it's like a lifetime of comin' home from the coaaaaal miiiine.

<small>we'll talk about it on AIM sometime.</small>
:O well hot damn! that just makes it ALL THE MORE attractive!
<tt>bananas!</tt>

haahaha, t3, that's ADORABLE.



...and yay, happything!

[implode]

I've never gone steady with a girl, though I have gone on dates. I like girls too, I guess-- it's not really a preference thing as much as it is a "well I don't differentiate if I enjoy the other person's company". But I am more shy with approaching girls, so... I dunno.

I've have a boyfriend for over three years now though, so in the end it doesn't really matter. so you can only be sexually attracted to someone if you enjoy their company?

[Sally]

ah, but this opens up many different cans of several species of worm.
some people (such as my mum) think you can't know your orientation before actually having sex.. i beg to differ. (i told her once i was bi, and she, always telling me it would be okay no matter what my preference, replied curtly, "since WHEN?")
(and seeing as i've only been in one <i>online</i> relationship really{:C}, i've never even remotely done anything with anyone, so.)
as i've said before, i've been attracted to both sexes.. and then some. i found recently that some call this 'pansexuality'. haha
also, there's the matter of gender identification as applies to sexuality... though i am, and at least two-thirds of the time dress like, a girl, in my head i am a man. i act like it, talk like it, feel like it. when in the company of girls (who are ALMOST ALWAYS smaller than me! AGH) i just. become male. when in the company of guys, i feel like a peer. and become uncomfortable if any flirting goes on. >_> i LIKE flirting, i do! i want to be flirted at, just like anybody, but still... there's that discomfort that a GUY is hitting on a GUY. if a girl flirts with me, i'm all yay and happy for it(even if i.. don't acknowledge it.). i feel as though, were i a man physiologically, i would be entirely okay with both sexes. probably as i wouldn't feel threatened by other men.
i constantly wish i'd been born a boy. cry cry cry.
and THEN I THINK shitjesus, this is too complicated, and want to forget about the whole damned thing!

TO HELL WITH SEXUALITY. i just want to live!


aljkdsf Yesss, thank you. That's exactly what I feel like sometimes. Sometimes I'll be like, "..Wow, I think I'd have been better off as a gay guy." Because most of the time that's what I feel like. I don't know if it's because all my life I've been the "tom boy" type or what. Because while I'm most comfterble with being a girl, I feel like maybe being male would have been a better choise in my case. But yes, it is very confusing. Liking a boy and wanting to sex him up and then be like "Oh wait, I don't have a penis." But then I also like girls a bit. I've never been with one, and I like boys better because the only relationship I've ever been with was with a guy, but I wouldn't mind being with a girl given the oppertunity. Like, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of finding someone based on gender. Or something. I think this all counts as bi.

[ln_e_is_1]

I'm gonna have to go with strictly bi on this one. I have this unbelievable desire to copulate with hot people of both genders. I simply love the human sexual form. As an anology, I look at men as motorcycles and women as cars. The women are more complex in thier workings and while the physics behind riding both is the same, the actual act of driving a car and riding a motorcycle are different. I enjoy both.

I love sex with men and I love sex with women. Yes, the clit and glans serve the same sexual function and the G-spot and porstate gland do the same thing. I know this. They all take stimulation in different ways and each person likes different stimulation. I love it all. I love the complexaty and elegance of a vagina. I love the raw sexual aspect of an erect penis.

I guess some peopel have a preference. I'm facinated and joyed buy the act of sex and I find beauty in both men and women. Although, I do tend to find femmie, twink bois the most attractive males. I don't like burly men. I don't like jocks and muscle men. I like femmie men. Does that taint me towards being on the more straight side of bi? I like blowing femmie guys as much as I like fucking them. I like blowing twinks more than I like recieving head from them. Does that bring me back to the middle of bi? I love going down on women more than recieving head from women. Does that matter? I still consider my self a top when having sex with both genders.

Does that lean me from center in any direction?

[Tom Bosley]

I PUT PENIS IN BOY ASSHOLE I PUT PENIS IN SHEVAG

[implode]

Does that lean me from center in any direction? i don't think so. you just seem to have a very deep appreciation for sexual contact.

[exemplary citizen]

so you can only be sexually attracted to someone if you enjoy their company?
Oh my god, this describes my sexual operations perfectly. There is no way I can continue to be attracted to a person after they've proven themselves to be a ditz, a bore, or otherwise uninteresting intellectually.

That makes me a horrible person, doesn't it? :(

[kyle!]

i don't think it makes you a horrible person. it just means you have preferences, like most people do.

[ln_e_is_1]

That could be it.

Oh yeah, and w00t for not being the only bi guy on this board:)

[Davey Rootbeer]

raw sexual attraction is mostly based on the ambiance surrounding the individual, i'd say, and not explicitly the individual itself. the mind makes its own associations to fill in the gaps (in relation to the unknown qualities of the person that one is attracted to- read: "mystery"); when there are no gaps, the raw attraction dissipates (which would explain the 7-year itch?)

over time, things that were once mysterious (aformentioned gaps) change as the coupling learns more about eachother: the raw attraction is replaced, then, (in the ideal case) with trust and comeradeship.

in essence, "it's 50% of what you got, and 50% of what they think you got".

you're not just having wild, passionate animal sex with that girl on the couch; you're having wild, passionate animal sex with the idea of that girl on the couch relating in some way to a situation or a persona that you are familiar with from your past, and you subconciously choose to associate it with this.

[Forever Finite]

the so-called 7-year itch is actually attributed to neuro chemicals in the brain. the 'in love" chemical cycle can't last more than about 7 years on its own, it needs to be rekindled. retriggering the chemical release can be assisted with the release of dopamine, which is why burnt out couples take vacations to exotic places together. the brain releases dopamine when in a new surrounding and if utilized correctly, the afforementioned couple can fall in love all over again.

[SenorMan]

the so-called 7-year itch is actually attributed to neuro chemicals in the brain. the 'in love" chemical cycle can't last more than about 7 years on its own, it needs to be rekindled. retriggering the chemical release can be assisted with the release of dopamine, which is why burnt out couples take vacations ot exotic places together. the brain releases dopamine when in a new surrounding and if utilized correctly, the afforementioned couple can fall in love all over again.

Im urged to say bullshit but it sounds so convincing ugh

[SenorMan]

What about all this talk of a "gay gene". I dont know bout you but i dont want my genes to decide my sexual orientation. Does that mean in some case the person doesnt have a choice?

[implode]

according to <a href="http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html">this</a>, no. there is no "gay gene." you crave cock for the same reason you crave cheetos - you have come to accept the fact that they are delicious and satisfying.

[Davey Rootbeer]

<img src="http://www.roomwithamoose.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=14111&stc=1">

[HappySilly4Doom]

:ava: That could be it.

Oh yeah, and w00t for not being the only bi guy on this board:)

I've been meaning to say this since I read your first post in this thread...
.... I :ava: :ava: :ava: you!! (baaaad)

* :ava: *

[BeastDad1987]

so you can only be sexually attracted to someone if you enjoy their company?
Pretty much, yeah. I can't be sexually attracted to someone I don't know or like.

[HappySilly4Doom]

Pretty much, yeah. I can't be sexually attracted to someone I don't know or like.


Makes perfect sense to me! ^_^

*smiles and shrugs*

[implode]

i wonder how common that is. it can't be <i>that</i> common, given the incidence of successful entertainers who base their entire act on sex appeal (e.g. boy bands, orlando bloom, beach volleyball, anna kournikova, the pornography industry, etc.)

[MST3Kakalina]

What about all this talk of a "gay gene". I dont know bout you but i dont want my genes to decide my sexual orientation. Does that mean in some case the person doesnt have a choice?
there's been some research done on heridity and sexuality. the most...reliable? sound? one so far has actually indicated that it's not so much genes but rather testosterone levels in the womb during pregnancy. if you surveyed men who identified as homosexual, a significant number of them (can't recall the statistic at the moment, but i read this in Matt Ridley's <u>The Agile Gene</u>) have one or more older brothers. turns out after having one boy in the womb, the hormones go a bit wacky. the orientation of the older brother(s) is irrelevant (though i think they're usually straight).

[HappySilly4Doom]

For Implode's recent post:
I think just the fanatasy of it all that you kind have the personality and the looks. I mean, the chances of you meeting the celebrity/model is quite rare. I think, people just sorta of imagined them being exactly who they want them to be and while having the good looking aspect of them too. I could be wrong though!

*smiles and shrugs*

[BeastDad1987]

i wonder how common that is. it can't be <i>that</i> common, given the incidence of successful entertainers who base their entire act on sex appeal (e.g. boy bands, orlando bloom, beach volleyball, anna kournikova, the pornography industry, etc.)
Maybe that's why I don't care for porn; it does nothing for me.

On a slightly different note though, if I could get turned on by that kind of stuff, I'd be more inclined to like 2D/illustrations as opposed to real porn. But that's kind of a different topic. My friends say I have a 2D complex.

:/

[implode]

there's been some research done on heridity and sexuality. the most...reliable? sound? one so far has actually indicated that it's not so much genes but rather testosterone levels in the womb during pregnancy. if you surveyed men who identified as homosexual, a significant number of them (can't recall the statistic at the moment, but i read this in Matt Ridley's <u>The Agile Gene</u>) have one or more older brothers. turns out after having one boy in the womb, the hormones go a bit wacky. the orientation of the older brother(s) is irrelevant (though i think they're usually straight). so what does the "wacky" testosterone level do to developing babies, exactly?

[SenorMan]

so what does the "wacky" testosterone level do to developing babies, exactly?

They are more prone to wanting to be surrounded by more testosterone?

[ImWearingUrSkin]

Maybe a significant portion of anyone male has one or more older brothers, though....? I mean in a family of three sons, 66% of them have one or more older brothers.

I don't know what I am getting at. Please tell me that sort of made sense.

I'm not attracted to males (plural). At any given point in time, I am either attracted to nobody, or one male. I guess it could go the same for a girl, it just hasn't. I'm going to go with the "I don't like the people for their gender, i like them for who they are" thing.... although the few incidents where I have really been attracted to someone, they have been male.

[SenorMan]

Are you saying that the number of gay males is not proportional to the number of males who have brothers??? Im afraid this might not make sense either

[ImWearingUrSkin]

uhh I'm saying they should do a study for straight males to compare.

Also, you could turn that less physical and say it's some psychological impact of having an older brother, or something. Like an older brother might be more developed, more powerful, more "masculine", while the younger brother might generally feel more vulnerable (because of his younger age) and perhaps more feminine or something.


Also also, PS my fag is the firstborn in his household, and his little brother is hetero (as far as we know).

[Tom Bosley]

you crave cock for the same reason you crave cheetos .

blatant marijuana quip

[ImWearingUrSkin]

re: that quote
...but healthy dicks shouldn't have cheese?

[Anne]

There was a really good article in NEw Scientist a while back about the whole older-borthers thing, I'll see if it's still online.

As for me, I've never had a crush on a girl, but weirdly, if I have a dream in which I'm attracted to someone, they tend to be girls. I think they may just be that I'd know how a girl would react though, and besides, it's dreaming, which is a little weird as it is.

If it turned out that I was bisexual though, I wouldn't be surprised. But seeing as my experience is approximately nil, it's very hard to tell. I vote hetero, based on the people I've fallen for so far.

Here it is : <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/channel/sex/mg19125584.900.html">If you're male each older brother you have increases your likelihood of being gay. Now it seems this is down to biological rather than environmental influences</a>
Also:<a href="http://www.newscientist.com/search.ns?doSearch=true&query=gay+men">The rest of the articles there</a>

[MST3Kakalina]

so what does the "wacky" testosterone level do to developing babies, exactly?
aww fuck i wish i had the book on me (i borrowed it from a friend).

but it also affected hormone levels in the baby IN the womb (i think that's how it went). so that subsequent male babies in there had more estrogen than they would have had otherwise.

i swear to you i will look this up on thursday or friday and quote my sources.

[Tom Bosley]

I NEED SIGNATURE POWER

[Forever Finite]

i don't have any immediate soources, save for the middle aged gay esl teacher i am friends with.... but apparently homosexuality is completely natural in the animal kingdom. zoologists dont know exactly why, but every now an then an animal is born that will only pair with an animal of the same gender. i believe it mostly occurs in male animals. some speculate that it is a natural population control, others suggest it is simply a mutated gene. point is, it DOES occur naturally. take for example the gay penguin couple that have been together for like 6 years or some shit.

[SenorMan]

lesbian penguins?

[Tom Bosley]

i don't have any immediate soources, save for the middle aged gay esl teacher i am friends with.... but apparently homosexuality is completely natural in the animal kingdom. zoologists dont know exactly why, but every now an then an animal is born that will only pair with an animal of the same gender. i believe it mostly occurs in male animals. some speculate that it is a natural population control, others suggest it is simply a mutated gene. point is, it DOES occur naturally. take for example the gay penguin couple that have been together for like 6 years or some shit.

IUDSIS.

[ImWearingUrSkin]

<a href="http://worldpolicy.org/globalrights/sexorient/marine-gay.html">sdgsdggaybeasties</a>

[SenorMan]

Usually only two Orcas participate at a time, although groups of three or four males are not uncommon, and even five participants at one time have been observed.

Orca orgies?

[ImWearingUrSkin]

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j208/luvluvluvluvluv/jeremy.jpg

How come gay men aren't attracted to women, yet they dress like them in order to attract other gay men?

[ImWearingUrSkin]

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j208/luvluvluvluvluv/randomfag.jpg

that ones my favorite.

[SenorMan]

WOW that dress sure is ugly

[ImWearingUrSkin]

I don't know the second one, but she's all over everyone's myspaces for some reason.

[SenorMan]

So you know the first one?!

[ImWearingUrSkin]

thats my fag.

Although I haven't seen him much this year.

He was like my BFFFFF for a few years.

[SenorMan]

thats my fag.

Although I haven't seen him much this year.

He was like my BFFFFF for a few years.

oh so hes already taken? Drats

[ImWearingUrSkin]

he doesnt look too good in drag. He looks better as a <a href="http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j208/luvluvluvluvluv/jeremy2.jpg">seminaked robin.</a>

[SenorMan]

darn wheres the other half of that pic?!



EDIT: Joke ^ dont send the other half!!!

[Forever Finite]

i thought he made a semi-hot chick.

maybe i'm secrectly attracted to men dressed as women!! :takker?!:

[Tom Bosley]

i thought he made a semi-hot chick.

maybe i'm secrectly attracted to men dressed as women!! :takker?!:

maybe you enjoy my quad stack whopper

[Meat Load]

How come gay men aren't attracted to women, yet they dress like them in order to attract other gay men?not all gay men are transvestites, and not all male transvestites are gay

[strawberry kiss]

Liking a boy and wanting to sex him up and then be like "Oh wait, I don't have a penis."

I get that feeling a loooot. Butt:ava: my guy is awesome. I get a strap on.

Like really, I'm so excited. I'm an on top gay guy, and a rather bottom girl.

[implode]

aww fuck i wish i had the book on me (i borrowed it from a friend).

but it also affected hormone levels in the baby IN the womb (i think that's how it went). so that subsequent male babies in there had more estrogen than they would have had otherwise.

i swear to you i will look this up on thursday or friday and quote my sources. can it be that simply having more estrogen effects your libido? are people on estrogen supplements generally more sexually boisterous than others? i was under the impression that it was the other way around - estrogen was an inhibitor.

anne, i think you have to register to see the whole article.

[Tom Bosley]

Liz: I would absolutely not prefer a girly guy. Girly guys are annoying and are the reason gay tolerance is questionable.

[ImWearingUrSkin]

mitch - I didn't say that.

However, those men in those pictures are gay. And they are transvestites. So this means that gay men dress like women. Maybe not all gay men, but I didn't say that.

I just don't understand how a man can dress like a woman in order to attract a man who likes men.

[Meat Load]

i don't claim understand the logic behind it either, but when a gay guy picks up another gay guy in drag, he knows that he's picking up a man that he intends to have gay intercourse with. like i said, not all gay men are transvestites, so it could just be the fetish of choice of a particular gay subculture.

[ln_e_is_1]

:ava:

I've been meaning to say this since I read your first post in this thread...
.... I :ava: :ava: :ava: you!! (baaaad)

* :ava: *
Why thanks.
*Flattered*
*Blush*

As for birth order determining sexuality; I'm the older brother. My baby brother is very straight. That man is pure breeder. I'm the fag of the family. Just my experience.

[MST3Kakalina]

the irony of this whole thing is that i own a copy of the book myself but it's MIA.

[deadish]

But yes, it is very confusing. Liking a boy and wanting to sex him up and then be like "Oh wait, I don't have a penis."
haha holy froots, yes. XD wow
like, i'll look at gay porn (>_>) and be all "maaannn, *i* want to do that!"
DAMN YOU, NATURE!

[Awesome McManly]

Yeah, I don't know about the birth order thing.

I have a cousin who is VERY VERY gay. He only has an older sister. I'm the younger brother in my family, and while I love my brother, I definitely got the higher end of the testosterone stick.

I dunno though. I've always thought it was somewhat hereditary. It certainly seems to run on my mom's side of the family. On my dad side, everyone is straight. On my mom's side well, my aunt is gay, and I have both a lesbian and gay cousin. And apparently my great grandmother came out on her deathbed. Or rather told my gay aunt that if times had been different, she would have lived a very different lifestyle. I suppose that means I have gay prejudice to thank for my existence. But I guess if you were to go far enough back, just about everyone would.

[Kenji]

haha holy froots, yes. XD wow
like, i'll look at gay porn (>_>) and be all "maaannn, *i* want to do that!"
DAMN YOU, NATURE!

There's always corrective surgery.

[strawberry kiss]

or strap ons, as I mentioned before. not as cool, but still cool.

and I like my vagina.

[HappySilly4Doom]

Why thanks.
*Flattered*
*Blush*

As for birth order determining sexuality; I'm the older brother. My baby brother is very straight. That man is pure breeder. I'm the fag of the family. Just my experience.

You're welcome! :<3:

:ava: *giggling and blushing* :ava:

[BreadObama69]

I would say I'm a a strictly heterosexual male.

And my random thoughts on sexuality.....controversial perhaps?

My own view is that all sexuality is a matter of choice since it is not a life-sustaining necessity: what or whom you have sex with – or whether you have sex at all – is optional. I would not be here if it weren't for sex, true, but if I choose never to have sex, I am still “here”.

[ln_e_is_1]

Oh, but sex is a life-sustaining necessity. A healthy sex life is vital for mental health. Also, a lack of sexual activity, at least for men, dramatically increases the risk of prostate cancer, causing early death. Sex is very necessary. As far as choice, nobody chooses to whom they are sexually attaracted. No gay man makes a conscious decision to pop a boner when a hot guy walks on buy and stay flaccid when a hot woman is near buy. Sexual attarction is goverened by chemical releases in the brain that respond to subconcious stimuli.

[BreadObama69]

Mmm...well...I don't think a sex life is vital to mental health....many people that are in religious orders obviously commit themselves to a life of celibacy, and they can be some of the most level headed people out there...
Do you think that might be the result of such a strong spirituality that it would negate the need for sexual release? Just a thought...

And if the whole chemical release thing is true, why are some people attracted to different things? I thought the article that implode posted earlier proved that there is no "gay gene".

It seems more logical to me that the stimuli you would have in your mind is a response to what you have been surrounded by, ie your sexuality could in a way be very directly affected by friends, family, and surroundings.

Once again, just my little thoughts...

[implode]

And if the whole chemical release thing is true, why are some people attracted to different things? I thought the article that implode posted earlier proved that there is no "gay gene".

It seems more logical to me that the stimuli you would have in your mind is a response to what you have been surrounded by, ie your sexuality could in a way be very directly affected by friends, family, and surroundings. a matter of semantics, surely, but the stimuli you have IS directly correlated to chemical releases in your brain. your brain is trained to release chemicals in response to certain stimuli, and that stimuli has at least partially been established by the environment in which your brain developed.

but there has to be something more. a sex drive is nothing but a clever rewards system that your body has produced to get you to procreate, after all. what could cause this system to betray the most fundamental law of nature - that is, you only mate with those who can bear your offspring. humans are (supposedly) very advanced in that they can appreciate the sheer topical joy of sex, rather than just initiating in it for procreating purposes. could it be that we've entirely transcended the instinct to mate with the opposite sex, and it has become entirely a matter of choice? that seems unlikely, since a vast majority of us still do it the way nature designed. could it be that gay people simply <i>are not born</i> with that instinct?

i'm not an expert on anything but NOFX albums and animated childrens cartoons, so i know nothing about how/why "instincts" work. but it seems if there were a certain number of people who were simply not born with the compulsion to mate, then the sex drive could be manipulated at will, and your surroundings (or any sort of catalyst, really) could influence your sexual preference more heavily than others.

eh. seems unlikely, though, since the results of this poll would indicate that more and more women are being born without that instinct, and there'd have to be some sort of valid reason for THAT, too. man. i sure wish i knew what i was talking about.

[SLUM WIZZARD]

haha im the only oneeee


am i cool yet

//edit: ok so since i am one does this mean i have to get technical about it like you guys or can you guys examine my genes and thought patterns and stuff without my help?

eh. seems unlikely, though, since the results of this poll would indicate that more and more women are being born without that instinct, and there'd have to be some sort of valid reason for THAT, too. man. i sure wish i knew what i was talking about. its cool to be lesbian its not cool to be gay

duhh implode

[BreadObama69]

Are you insinuating girls will pretend to be lesbian/bisexual for attention?

That would never happen.

Not on this message board.

[HappySilly4Doom]

The entire subject is complicated to put into text for me. However, it seems to me that us as an adult human race cannot seem to be without a sexual partner. Wheither it's one for a lifetime or one/two/three in one night. Also alot of people (including young teens) who don't have sexual partners at moement tend to either pleasure themselves, use special toys, and/or use special magazines and video to help stimulation. In short, do I believe that we can live without any sexual stimulate and be happy for the rest of our lives.. Nope!

*smiles and shrugs*

[SLUM WIZZARD]

@citizen kane: more like it's seemingly more acceptable to be lesbian than it is to be gay, but hey that works too. just... not so much on the internet.

edit: fuck way to post before me happy silly baloon newbie

[BreadObama69]

HappySilly4Doom, like I said before, some people do lead a life of celibacy, usually for spiritual reasons.

[HappySilly4Doom]

Though I doesn't bother me who's lesbian or not, I can't help but just be a little (just alittle) founder to the male to male romance! ^-^

*blushing smiles*

[Spleenazor]

thats pretty gay

[BreadObama69]

rimshot

[Spleenazor]

Muskoka was freaking awesome. you should all go there

[SLUM WIZZARD]

//edit: ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY TIMING

fuck this post anyways

[HappySilly4Doom]

HappySilly4Doom, like I said before, some people do lead a life of celibacy, usually for spiritual reasons.

I still believe what say, but I acknowledge I could be wrong. After all, they really are people who do take a life celibacy ( & claim that they enjoy their life that way) So my opinion is not scientific proof but merly a small portion of my life experience but then again, I'm only 19 so.. really I still have alot of experince to go through so maybe later of my life I'll meet people who live their lives in celibacy! Till then I'm not really a 100% sure!

*smiles and shrugs*

[Spleenazor]

celibacy is for fat people

[BreadObama69]

your comedy really does have no bounds, huh?

Silly face.

[Spleenazor]

the lock upon my garden is a snail thats what it is

[HappySilly4Doom]

@citizen kane: more like it's seemingly more acceptable to be lesbian than it is to be gay, but hey that works too. just... not so much on the internet.

edit: fuck way to post before me happy silly baloon newbie

Anytime! ^_~

*smiles and winks*

[ImWearingUrSkin]

I've always thought it was somewhat hereditary. It certainly seems to run on my mom's side of the family. On my dad side, everyone is straight. On my mom's side well, my aunt is gay, and I have both a lesbian and gay cousin.

Yeah my fag has a gay aunt or something. I don't think that neccessarily implies that it's hereditary, though... I mean, gay people don't reproduce.

I think it may be that it's just seen as more socially accepted in some families, and so the children are raised more open to it and more likely to question their own sexualities.

[Shaman King]

I'm one of the four guys who answered the bi choice, and, while I would have preferred a low-level bi option, putting down totally straight would be a lie. I have had crushes on other guys, but never acted on them or had any meaningless sex with other guys.

Who were the others, if they admitted to it in the thread? I only saw ln_e reply, and already knew that.

Also, Liz, are you back for good?

[leatherface]

This is offensive to me, I can't find the right answer.