Gentlemen.

[exemplary citizen]

Let us discuss <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme>memes</a>. What do you all think of them? Valid theory or crackpot fringe?

(Please note; I'm trying to strike up discussion related to the branch of evolutionary psychology, not <a href=http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Main_Page>the lulz</a>.)


edit: I know we have an ontopic forum for srs bidness, but I want to hear from the people who don't make a habit of posting there for whatever reason

edit 2: NO MEME RULE RESCINDED but keep it to a reasonable minimum. yeah, you know who i'm talking to.

[KLEIN]

You mean like the meme theory of ideas, or the idea that memes are "alive" or what do you mean


Like a lot of things in these mental sciences, I don't think memes actually exist, but that the definition and observed effects of them are valid, so in treating them as if they do exist, we can learn things that we would not otherwise learn.


What's wrong with ontopic huh

[Chakan]

My opinion is based on little knowledge outside of the basics, but it's obvious that memes exist. I'm not sure they follow strict rules like evolutionary theory, however. Often times, which meme will catch on at what time is completely random. Evolution is sort of random, too, but there is an element of selection going on there, something that I don't believe happens with memes.

Something that everybody brushed over or forgot in the past can easily be reborn, too (rick rolling, anyone?). That seldom happens in evolution. We're not going to suddenly see the dodo again, even if another animal comes along that is similar or fills the same niche. There is no meme "fitness" to speak of, either, because picking one meme over another offers no advantages.

Memes seem to be a modern construct. Not that memes in some form didn't exist before, but memes as we know them now start and exist mostly on the internet, where communication is fast and sharing information is easy. Then there are things such as "virals", which are similar to memes, but are constructed and based on manipulative advertising.

There's more I could go into, but my thoughts are scatterbrained from being so tired.

[exemplary citizen]

You mean like the meme theory of ideas, or the idea that memes are "alive" or what do you mean
Either. Both. I want to hear any and all opinions on the subject, no matter how far flung from the original meme analogy. I'll air mine in a bit; I'm still hammering out what I want to say in an organized manner so I don't come off like a fruitcake, lol

Like a lot of things in these mental sciences, I don't think memes actually exist, but that the definition and observed effects of them are valid, so in treating them as if they do exist, we can learn things that we would not otherwise learn.
Oh, absolutely. I don't think we can really talk about memes in a present sense except in a vague systems analysis/pattern recognition kind of way, but I personally think it's a very workable model in a lot of different areas. Us Mooses have always been pretty "hip to this kind of thing" as they say, so I figured it'd be good discussion fodder. We haven't had a really epic intellectual bullshitting session in a while, and I miss those.

But yeah, memetics has a lot of interesting potential applications. I'm really curious to see where this ends up going, if anywhere.

What's wrong with ontopic huh
posting in ontopic is pretentious and i don't want to know all about how much kurzweil everybody here has read okay

[Meat Load]

they are bad because people think that repeating the same thing over and over again is funny thus discouraging creativity

[exemplary citizen]

Chakan; for the purposes of my little intellectual circle-jerk here, it might pay to skim over the highlights of the wikipedia article I linked; you're focusing mainly on the internets-bound concept of memes, whereas there's an emerging school of thought regarding memes as being a "self-replicating unit of information" in general. Propogating like a virus, the idea is that these small packets of readily accessible information are advantageous; kind of like how the "look both ways before crossing the street" mantra our moms teach us when we're tots keeps us from getting smeared all over the intersection in front of the preschool. Richard Dawkins coined the idea as being analogous to genes, with one of the long-range the implications being that it's somehow evolutionarily advantageous to have brains wired up for these "information viruses" and the propagation of them.

My opinion is based on little knowledge outside of the basics, but it's obvious that memes exist, but I'm not sure they follow strict rules like evolutionary theory. Often times, which meme will catch on at what time is completely random. Evolution is sort of random, too, but there is an element of selection going on there, something that I don't believe happens with memes.

Well, if you look at it from the (slightly) more scientifically accepted evolutionary psychology angle, perhaps the thing that determines whether a meme lives or dies is whether or not it is useful to the culture it originated from. I realize I run the risk of derailing the coversation here, but to give an example in the context of internet memes:

Milhouse is not a meme, but "Milhouse is not a meme" is. The "milhouse is not a meme" meme orginated from individuals taking the piss out of others for trying to "force" the milhouse meme into catching on.

Over time the meme has continued to adapt to the point that, in general, "milhouse is not a meme" becomes shorthand within the -chan culture for "stop trying to force things to be funny, asshole, it doesn't work that way". It's a self-replicating idea that, effectively, helps prune back the excess propagation of shitty, unfunny material that is detrimental to the group's aims (lulz).


also getting really tired, so i'm hanging it up for the evening. i'll prolly pick through this some more in the morning because I had a thought related to the idea of memes "resurrecting" and their effective "shelf life", but i'm too wiped out to articulate it right now

[exemplary citizen]

they are bad because people think that repeating the same thing over and over again is funny thus discouraging creativity

fucking goddammit trogg did you even read what i just posted

uugh why did i even bother with the shitty milhouse analogy, god

[Meat Load]

lol yeah tl;dr sorry force of habit

[Chakan]

No no, that was good, Ami. I don't frequent any of the -chan sites, so it's always interesting to learn stuff like that.

From what I'm seeing, the concept of a meme is scientifically sound. The ability to learn new behavior and spread it for the advantage of the species makes sense. Monkey see, monkey do. Social adaptation and evolution are very important for social species such as humans. It would be interesting to apply mimesis to other fields, such as how children learn and develop new behaviours.

I'll be sure to read up more about it tomorrow.

[robot]

memes spread in the same way a virus might... when mapped visually a meme might resemble a fractal pattern... its just the way systems of information dynamically grow. i find the study of memetics to be crucial to understanding current social patterns. think about how much of your life is influenced by memes. social engineering, and to a lesser degree, propaganda, is almost exclusively a matter of creating and manipulation memes towards a directed result.

as an experiment, try inventing your own memes and subtlely implanting them into everyday conversation; one effective technique is to unleash one onto a crowd of exited drunks.

i'm way into it if you know what i'm saying

[Davey Rootbeer]

i would like to introduce the "ballpark wave" theory.

imagine most ordinary people seated in the middle section of a ballpark, behind home plate. for some reason, a wave starts. several people will get uip and perform the wave when it passes by.

the next time it passes by, more people will perform it, increasing in number each time, as they are somewhat expecting it after each successive wave.

how does a meme start/how does a wave start? with a small group of people. how does it spread? by usurping people who want to be involved in something larger than themselves.

why the fuck do we do the wave at ballparks? NO ONE KNOWS. but when you see it coming, you just stand up and become part of it for that fleeting moment. and when it gets all the way from one end of the ballpark to the other, the cheers are so loud you'd think somebody just hit 3 home runs in the same at bat.

EDIT: oh yeah, basically a meme operates according to the same principles of that of an inside joke: it's only accepted as humor by people who "get it", and serves as a bond between such people. and since humanity strives for inclusion, with the invention of the internet letting you send messages to millions of people in seconds, memes can spread faster than fire through an oil rig.

[MST3Kakalina]

i don't want to know all about how much kurzweil everybody here has read okay


.......


:(

[exemplary citizen]

Don't get me wrong, I <i>loves</i> me some technological singularity and its definitely relevant to the subject at hand (oh ray you lovable eccentric you :<3: :<3: ). I just felt I needed to put up the caveat that I'm trying to keep academic citation and whatnot out of this thread; it's purely for spitballing on the topic. I don't want to discourage anybody from wading into this discussion because they feel they don't have the requisite knowledge to participate or something silly like that.

I'm brewin up a good post for today, but I'm all fagged out after filling my eyeballs to the brim with colorful stupids last night GO SPEED RACER GOOOOOOOO

[KLEIN]

I heard Speed Racer was bad since it was made by the wachoski brothers and they are a bunch of transvestite weeaboos.


Gonna step way back in the thread and call Chakan out for being wrong: "There is no meme "fitness" to speak of, either, because picking one meme over another offers no advantages."

I know you meant internet memes, but even then there are (if only very slight) advantages to picking one over the other. For real idea memes this is definitely wrong.


I haven't read any books sorry. Ton of "educated" opinions about the singularity but no actual books read about it.



I wouldn't say that most memes are spread maliciously or to take advantage of people. Being enamored with a movie or a piece of music or whatever and wanting to share it with your friends is like a meme too.

It's dangerous memes like nationalism and christianity that you have to watch out for.

[exemplary citizen]

HEY NOW -- Let's not call anybody out for "being wrong". We're not trying to arrive at a unified scientific theory or anything like that, so let's not be stuffy here come on now. We've already established that not everybody is gonna be on the same page with everyone else, so let's keep discussion open.

memes spread in the same way a virus might... when mapped visually a meme might resemble a fractal pattern... its just the way systems of information dynamically grow. i find the study of memetics to be crucial to understanding current social patterns. think about how much of your life is influenced by memes. social engineering, and to a lesser degree, propaganda, is almost exclusively a matter of creating and manipulation memes towards a directed result.

as an experiment, try inventing your own memes and subtlely implanting them into everyday conversation; one effective technique is to unleash one onto a crowd of exited drunks.

i'm way into it if you know what i'm saying
oh i know exactly what you're getting at brotha. preach it.

The "crowd of exited drunks" is a really excellent cultural model to work with; clubs/bars/parties are like a meme petri dish, and if you know what you're doing, you can exert some serious influence on a large scale. I have some ideas on why this works so well - "parties" may actually be one of the most constructive activities human beings engage in - but getting to that later. Anways, one of the most pervasive memes in my circle of good pals came from exactly that kind of situation. We were all at a nicer upscale bar seeing our favorite act (yes, Klein, it <i>is</i> babyland this time), and for whatever reason, the owner of the place refused to turn off the 3 widescreen plasma TVs over the bar which kept blowing the stage fuses and interrupting the show. His reasoning: "But people want to watch the [football] game." Ignoring, naturally, that the club was filled with people who actually PAID to see a band perform live, not a televised game they could just as well have stayed home for. This resulted in a barrage of auditory assault from the band, consisting of screaming "YEEEAAH WHOOOOOO THE GAAAAAME" at intervals over their backup system (bullhorn, lol). Lulz ensued, the bar lost business and eventually folded a while later.

Thus, shouting "THE GAAAAME" has become a general signifier for any kind of stubborn buffoonery in progress. The influence of the meme only applies to those that were there that night to actually witness said logic meltdown (context is key), so use of it is something of a badge of honor. Like all good inside jokes. But clearly it comes with a much more "loaded meaning" than just shouting about football.


And speaking of games, I would just like to bring it to the general assembly's attention that <a href=http://www.losethegame.com/ >you're all about to lose</a>. If you haven't noticed at this point already.

[KLEIN]

The game is the stupidest waste of mental energy I have ever seen. It's criminal and not funny.

Alright fine open discussion whatever. People adopt new memes all the time because they have advantages that are concrete or immaterial. Learning and deciding to use better way to cook food gives you more time to do other things or just better food. Clear advantages.

[exemplary citizen]

There you go, now that wasn't so bad was it

(thanks, champ. it'll be worth it, I promise.)

The game is the stupidest waste of mental energy I have ever seen. It's criminal and not funny.

You're doing it wrong.

[Mias]

Someone I know answers his phone by yelling "THE GAME?!?!"

I have completely lost patience with it.

As for memes, they're very useful. Unless they're one of the destructive ones.

[KLEIN]

There you go, now that wasn't so bad was it

(thanks, champ. it'll be worth it, I promise.)



You're doing it wrong.

It was like chewing glass



and the game is really indicative of everything bad and annoying about popular internet culture. Even Lolcats are better

[exemplary citizen]

It was like chewing glass
there there, ssshh it's all gonna be okay. i got some nice warm cookies in the oven for later, how's that sound

and the game is really indicative of everything bad and annoying about popular internet culture. Even Lolcats are betterMy point is that it's only bad and irritating because you're already "in on it" ("infected", in the viral sense) but insist on fighting it by introducing a negative feedback loop into the meme pool. It's simply too big (at this time) to be fought by an individual. Personal suspicion: it has a lot to do with "potential audience" density [lol hueg series of tubes] and rate of infection over time, which would account for why you're only going to experience frustration on this. The "infection" is designed so that mental innoculation can only work one person at a time while its range of influence is practically limitless, making it essentially impossible to halt the spread. It's a really ideal illustration of meme propogation, actually, and why it's so difficult to counteract the especially pervasive ones.

And the more people we have "in on" the existence and operation of memes (and more importantly, how to effectively counteract destructive ones), well... I can only foresee improvement.

tl;dr - join us.

[KLEIN]

It's a really ideal illustration of meme propogation, actually, and why it's so difficult to counteract the especially pervasive ones.

And the more people we have "in on" the existence and operation of memes (and more importantly, how to effectively counteract destructive ones), well... I can only foresee improvement.


Well then I hate memes and I will devote my entire life to destroying every last one of them

[Meat Load]

COCKS GO WHERE

(just kidding, raptor jesus loves you)

[Davey Rootbeer]

It is an innate human desire for a person to want to be part of something larger than themselves, willing participation and perpetuation of these things.

as long as this remains true, there will always be religion, legends/myth, inside jokes, memes, and the wave at the ball game.

[exemplary citizen]

I think you may be misunderstanding what I'm getting at, Rob. I'm talking about ALL of those things (religion, jokes, legend, tradition, the wave, viral advertising, EVERYTHING) as memes. Like, memes being a unit of information transferrence, albeit a hard to quantify unit.

Well then I hate memes and I will devote my entire life to destroying every last one of them

And thus, a supervillain is born. *SWELLING DRAMATIC MUSIC*

[exemplary citizen]

oh lawd i just realized i can edit all of your posts without it showing the little edited stamp at the bottom

LOL SORRY TROGG

[Davey Rootbeer]

i was responding to klein's last post, actually.

what would your one-sentance definition of meme be, amy?

[exemplary citizen]

AH. Of course, I see. Naturally, you would already be "in" on it wouldn't you, you've worked in the ad world. Brainfart, sorry. :3

Yikes, that's a stumper. I'm gonna have to think about how to articulate that one for a second.

edit starts now:
Without first distilling it down to a soundbyte, I have to say I agree with the idea of a meme being a quantifiable means of information distribution, but I think the analogy to gene theory ends there - the reason memetics has been so far shot down is because there is no finite "particle" that we can measure with regards to information. Everything having to do with how we take in and process information is still more or less up in the air, so it's pure speculation.

The way I'VE observed memes to work is more along the model of a container - a meme is less a "thing" in itself and more of a "wrapper" for all the "loaded meaning" that can come with an idea. It's less about finite quanities and more about the qualities of how abstract thought works in humans. Like what robot was saying, more like the image of a fractal tree of information than a single point. Memes being inherently dynamic, directed growth and pruning occur over time within a single meme, making for maximum efficiency (if it lasts long). When memes become more obsolete than advantageous to the culture using them (culture evolves faster than the meme), they pass out of the common parlance.

Usually. Unless otherwise acted upon by an outside force.

[KLEIN]

I would say the particle is the smallest and most um

discrete idea or concept. Of which a "meme" might have many. The "living" meme is composed of these smallest concept blocks like a DNA strand is made of enzymes. When you have the right sequence, suddenly the idea comes alive and propagates itself. And may be mutated in the process etc. The idea works itself.

[exemplary citizen]

^^^

This is exactly what I was getting at but my brain is becoming addled so I'm going to the gym. It's like the meme is the whole DNA strand instead of the separate bits of code involved. Hopefully I'll have something more to contribute when I get back.

[Chakan]

I wonder what role culture plays on meme distrubution? Obviously, certain memes propogate better in one culture over another, even though cross-pollination occurs. Can a meme have a "counter meme" in case a culture finds its insertion hostile?

How much of a meme is picked up subconsciously, and the rest the decision of the person to carry it? Certain people seem more receptive to certain memes than others.

[MST3Kakalina]

I'm interrupting my essay about imaginary Nepali villages* to actually really post in this thread.

Valid theory or crackpot fringe?

I'm inclined to say valid theory. If anything, memes are just examples of groupthink at work. To deny memes is to deny that we have ideas that catch on and run away of their own accord. I guess the question is, is it possible to understand why certain ideas catch on (to refer to the Internets, "Millhouse is not a meme" or "I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE") and why others die? That's a tough call.

What do you think about the so-called "hundredth monkey syndrome," amypants?








<small>*no, really. You, too, can be a philosophy major, kids!</small>

[Meat Load]

i can has philosophical debate?

[exemplary citizen]

I'm interrupting my essay about imaginary Nepali villages* to actually really post in this thread.Thankee kindly, ma'am. Also I would like very much to hear about these imaginary Nepali villages when you're done.

What do you think about the so-called "hundredth monkey syndrome," amypants?

I actually had to look this one up, but then I remembered it had to do with Macaques and sweet potatoes and it all clicked. Again, it's something that's a little hard to articulate at the moment (not stoned, lol) so lemme think on that and get back to you

But in short, no I don't think Douglas Adams was <i>completely</i> off when he wrote a little story about Earth being a giant computer system. You may be familiar.

[Chakan]

As I understand it, the idea of the "hundredth monkey" is interesting, but not based on fact. Well, parts of it are, but the concept of a "critical mass" that causes ideas to be spread beyond physical boundries was based on conjecture by Dr. Lyall Watson after reading a study on Macaques. That's what I've gleamed from the Skeptic's Dictionary (http://www.skepdic.com/monkey.html) entry on it, anyway.

Still an interesting metaphor, though. I also know you weren't addressing me, Koba, so I apologize if I'm interupting the discussion.

[MST3Kakalina]

Also I think language is a great way of thinking about memes. How do internet abbreviations get started? Ideas seem to grip our collective unconscious (SUP JUNG) and filter out through some of us.

Who decided that "lol" would stand for "laughing out loud"? No central authority. But a few people started using it--probably in pockets as "inside lingo" but also simultaneously across the country/world by people who didn't know each other--and now it's commonplace. One that's more contemporary and relevant to us are phrases like "whatevs" and "totes obvi" and the like. I've seen different people--who don't know each other, with little/no friends overlap--use these phrases, with an immediately obvious and agreed upon meaning.

Though I think the way the discussion going is less language and something more abstract, like ideas.

Maybe the short answer is that our brains are all wired similarly enough that we eventually stumble upon the same kind of solution to a problem, or find the same kinds of things funny.

ETA: No, jump in, that's what the internet is for, Chakan. =P

I am kind of bummed to see that the hundredth-monkey theory is a bunch of hogwash, though. Not that I'm at all surprised.


ETA 2: Imaginary Nepali Villages are a response to the Platonic theory of math, which says that mathematical objects exist and that we interact with them via our mathematical intuition. The argument goes that a platonist account of math is like saying that we can have intimate knowledge of the daily goings-on of some village in Nepal just by imagining it. Balaguer (a philosopher of mathematics) responds to this by saying that if every possible Nepali village existed then sure we could have knowledge about a Nepali village just via our intuition, since if every possible Nepali village exists then there's certainly one that will match our imagination.

It was the last essay I'll ever have to write. I'm a little teary-eyed.

[Chakan]

I just don't want to be a philosophical killjoy. It's fun debating stuff, even if the concepts aren't based in reality.

The idea of a "critical mass" makes sense when dealing with the internet. Things seem to just grow and grow until they explode. There still needs to be a physical element, which the hinternet has, but it is also made of intangible concepts, such as data. You can't hold it in your hand, but you can observe and change it.

[Davey Rootbeer]

But in short, no I don't think Douglas Adams was <i>completely</i> off when he wrote a little story about Earth being a giant computer system. You may be familiar.

Art imitating life, or life imitating art? the earth is a computer, because we designed computers based on how the process of life works.


I have a different idea of what qualifies a meme.

my definition of a meme is a communication/message that is shared from one group to another simultaniously (not one person at a time, but en masse), and (this is key here), refracted towards other groups in return while preserving the original message, if not the context. this most likely is the result of common experience shared between the groups; if the recepient of the meme shares this common experience, they will more then likely pass it on.

purple-monkey-dishwasher is NOT a meme, as the message is distorted, and it is passed from only one person to the next. a secret family recipie is not a meme, as it's not shared en masse.

here's a small example to get started. Rickroll: is this a meme?

Rickroll = exposing people to some crappy music/video by some 80's guy for the purpose of annoying them, executed (most often) by disguising a link to this music/video as a link to something else.

1. is it passed down en-masse? ideally, yes, the concept to rickroll a large group of people at once produces epic lulz.

2. is it refracted in it's original language? yes, almost exactly, to be sure: the entire meme in this case generates around a singular, particular piece of media being passed on. as for further refraction, if you have been rickrolled, and are now familiar with the concept, it is possible that you would do the same to others. large numbers of people may not in this case, as the meme (again) is obscure and unexplanatory to a large number of its audience members, but those who do will pass the message on in it's orginal form.

so, where would religion fall under my definition? religion being a set of laws and regulations passed down that guide lifestyle choices, coupled with the belief of supernatural past/present/future occurances, and resulting in supernaturally-induced consequences/benefits (often post-humerous).

1. Is it delivered en-masse? Yeah. churches, synagogues, temples, mosques, shrines, you have a large number of people being told the same thing.

2. is religion refracted in it's original language? boy howdy, yes. reading stuff that people wrote down hundreds, if not thousands of years ago? it is distorted in some cases, but the distortion comes in context and interpretation, not the content itself.

religion could be the biggest meme out there, as it stands little to no chance of dying out.



having said this, i am reminded that last week i have purchased a brick for the new fanwalk at Citi Field, where fans can put messages on the bricks that will make up the main area for people to read for years (or until the stadium is knocked down by a natural disaster/mutant lizards/donald trump).

The message?

"All your Base are Belong to Us"

[KLEIN]

I have a different idea of what qualifies a meme.

my definition of a meme is a communication/message that is shared from one group to another simultaniously (not one person at a time, but en masse), and (this is key here), refracted towards other groups in return while preserving the original message, if not the context. this most likely is the result of common experience shared between the groups; if the recepient of the meme shares this common experience, they will more then likely pass it on.

purple-monkey-dishwasher is NOT a meme, as the message is distorted, and it is passed from only one person to the next. a secret family recipie is not a meme, as it's not shared en masse.

I don't think the group thing is necessary to the definition. There isn't some kind of magic number where group consciousness completely takes over, it just makes it easier to transmit ideas. But it doesn't preclude person to person transmission, obviously.

But both those things are technically memes, you're being too restrictive. The first one is just a very poor and "unfit" meme in this evolutionary model because it has no benefit and it isn't catchy or self propagating or anything. The secret recipe is a meme, it's just not one that is trying to spread itself widely. But it ensures its survival by making sure it is carried and remembered and passed on by a very small and specific group. It could mutate and be spread widely if someone who knew it wanted to spread it farther by say, publishing it in a book.

Not all memes are virals or fit enough to spread themselves quickly and effect human behavior.

[KLEIN]

No no, that was good, Ami. I don't frequent any of the -chan sites, so it's always interesting to learn stuff like that.



Chakan either you're really ignorant or you're full of shit, which is it?

[exemplary citizen]

Or maybe he just doesn't like reading posts in "threaded shitting dicknipple IRC" format

To be fair, I get most of my actual -chan knowledge second and third hand, after it's been filtered through a couple other sources. I can't even begin to actually keep up over there, nor would I want to try.

(that's it mister, cookies are being called off. on account of SURLINESS.)

[KLEIN]

Well they were imaginary cookies anyway :(


And no I don't doubt that chakan doesn't go to chan sites but it's kind of silly considering that his profile is covered in 4chan memes. He should at least be aware of the source.

[Chakan]

I'm more than aware where "John was a zombie" comes from, thank you very much. :)

I frequent quite a few Doom communities, so sometimes memes from one are spread to the other. "John was a zombie" (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/836450/1/DOOM_Repercussions_of_Evil) happens to be one of them. It started off as a poorly written parody of fan-fiction by someone named Hyena (http://www.heisanevilgenius.com/), then spawned a 4chan thread with a comic adaptation. That is where my avatar comes from.

If I didn't like Doom so much or there had been no crossover, I would have never known about it. You don't have to visit 4chan to know where memes come from. ED has that covered.

[Young Jeff Bridges]

wtf totes obvi?

[exemplary citizen]

yeah i have NEVER heard anyone say "totes obvi" casually

You sure that isn't just you, Koba?

Also:

SUP JUNG

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Also forgot to comment on it earlier, but I positively must see pictures of the "all your base" brick, Rob. Pics or it didn't happen.

[MST3Kakalina]

Maybe it's a Hamilton College thing? But I've heard a few people say "totes obvi" (as in, totally obvious) on more than one occasion.

also: lulz@Jung

[Davey Rootbeer]

Also forgot to comment on it earlier, but I positively must see pictures of the "all your base" brick, Rob. Pics or it didn't happen.

i get a "replica brick" in a few weeks as a keepsake. this came yesterday, though, it'll have to do for now.

<img src="http://www.roomwithamoose.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=14788&stc=1&d=1210733430">

[exemplary citizen]

Ho-lee shit.

That is fucking awesome. We're gonna have to go visit your brick someday if we ever meet up in your neck of the woods.

(fun fact: all your base was one of the first internet memes i ever got in on. oldbie is old.)

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[SLUM WIZZARD]

Signed,
CATS

[Chakan]

That is really cool, Davey. I'm sure that will make an interesting story for the young 'ins some day. :)

And yeah, AYB was the first meme I got into, too. That was before I had even heard the term or even knew there was a concept for information being spread virally.

[Mias]

Most of the internet memes I know are from people yelling or talking about them in real life. In annoying voices.

[exemplary citizen]

Still working on my "grand unification theory of memetic looniness". There are charts and graphs involved. Bear with me.

In the meantime, I would invite everyone to partake in the "Who are you voting for president" thread.